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Old 04-08-2008, 04:32 PM   #91
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

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And Niam Front Squatted 520lbs which was 100 over his WR C&J. Maybe it's time for American WLs to try a new approach and have someone train them stronger.
Paul Anderson squatted 1,000lbs, but his best C&J wasn't even 500lbs. Strength is important, but so is power and technique.
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Old 04-08-2008, 05:18 PM   #92
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

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Paul Anderson squatted 1,000lbs, but his best C&J wasn't even 500lbs. Strength is important, but so is power and technique.
It is true , what you said, but our Olympic Lifters (men's team) haven't done too well in decent decades and by international standards they tend to be on the weaker side.
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:17 PM   #93
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Also, did Paul Anderson win the gold medal? Was it due to his stellar technique or bone-crushing strength...or both?



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Old 04-08-2008, 06:23 PM   #94
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

My understanding is that the lack of success with the US weightlifting team is generally considered not to be due to lacking strength, but lacking speed or something else.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:20 PM   #95
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

The fact that people have to list exceptions affirms my point.
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:41 PM   #96
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Re: more Louie Simmons: Olympic lifts not good for sports

Sorry. Total noob question. Feel free to call me an idiot for asking this..


He seems pretty sure he could get gold medals....Why doesn't he? Are O-lifters the sport equivalent of a Giant Panda, he just cant find any to train?
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Also, did Paul Anderson win the gold medal? Was it due to his stellar technique or bone-crushing strength...or both?



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The point that most people make is, Pauls power, compared to his strength was low. With a squat of 1,000 he should have been able to clean nearly 600.Hossein by comparison Squats around 700, but cleans 560. In terms of power to strength, Hossein is better. No one cares what you squat, if you can't get the most weight over your head.
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The point that most people make is, Pauls power, compared to his strength was low. With a squat of 1,000 he should have been able to clean nearly 600.Hossein by comparison Squats around 700, but cleans 560. In terms of power to strength, Hossein is better. No one cares what you squat, if you can't get the most weight over your head.
That's why there's a quote from Russian literature (forget what exactly) that says, "there is no relation between the ability to display great strength, and the ability to display great strength quickly". Louie, however, does a lot of rate of force development training. That's why he said in the debated video "we took a page from o-lifters' book". O-lifters are primarily concerned with rate of force, but Louie recognizes the synergetic effects of various types of strength, and thinks o-lifters should work on absolute strength a little more than most do.
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That's why there's a quote from Russian literature (forget what exactly) that says, "there is no relation between the ability to display great strength, and the ability to display great strength quickly". Louie, however, does a lot of rate of force development training. That's why he said in the debated video "we took a page from o-lifters' book". O-lifters are primarily concerned with rate of force, but Louie recognizes the synergetic effects of various types of strength, and thinks o-lifters should work on absolute strength a little more than most do.
Which is why I find his statement contradicting in nature. He says he borrowed a page from the O-lifters book, about force development, but then criticizes that same book, about the 1st pull, being bad for sports, force development.
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Which is why I find his statement contradicting in nature. He says he borrowed a page from the O-lifters book, about force development, but then criticizes that same book, about the 1st pull, being bad for sports, force development.
It's... one page.
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