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Old 10-10-2006, 03:39 PM   #1
Craig Cooper
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Since there has been a lot of conversation on various threads within the nutrition board about the "best" way to gain mass, I was curious as to who has been successful gaining functional lean mass, how much they've gained and been able to maintain, how long it took them to gain it, and to what ends they have gone to see these results. I tend to agree with Battaglia when he says "The human body is meant to be slender and lean while being quick, agile, and flexible. If your body doesn't want you to gain weight, then I wouldn't attempt it" when speaking from a long-term goal of optimal health and longevity, but if it's possible to gain significant functional lean mass and maintain it while only having to forego optimal health in the short term, then why not?
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Old 10-10-2006, 04:08 PM   #2
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definitely carrying more mass than you would naturally (i.e. ad libitum eating, activity, etc.) is not the healthiest condition. typically it's a matter of performance (or aesthetics). health may be compromised in the long term depending on how the weight is gained, how much is gained, and how long it's maintained.

personally my bodyweight at this height has ranged from 170 lbs to 200 lbs, with what I would consider a natural weight being around 175-180 at most. i'm currently hovering between 195-200 on my way to 207 (94 kg). depending on how i feel and perform at 94, i may continue on to 105. this time, i started at 170 lbs about 4 months ago, so we're looking at about 7.5 lbs/month average, although i gained much more quickly early on than i'm gaining now.

am i getting fatter? absolutely. am i way stronger? yeah. is the amount of fat gain acceptable in consideration of my performance gains? yes.

keep in mind too that the main reason i'm not staying as lean as i would normally prefer is that lately i'm too much of an to comply with my own nutrition protocols very closely. but the bottom line is that as long as i can still make out my abs (somewhat...), i can accept a little more fat.
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Old 10-13-2006, 12:37 PM   #3
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Greg - so your goal in gaining weight is to get stronger? And you think you could get stronger, and stay leaner, if you maintained your nutrition protocols? And what's precipitated the strength gain, Olympic lifts?
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Old 10-13-2006, 01:21 PM   #4
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my goal in gaining weight is to level the playing field--i'm 5'11", so other lifters that height tend to outweigh me by a whole lot. so basically i'm just trying to mitigate the height disadvantage with a weight advantage. if i had nothing else to do all day but eat and train, and could therefore be as strict with my eating as i would like, yes, i would be able to stay leaner as i gained. also, taking more time to reach my goal weight would help, but i'm impatient and it's easier for me to gain with some fat and lean out later than try to gain while staying lean.

my training is strictly o-lifting.
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Old 10-14-2006, 05:20 AM   #5
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I think if your training for trainings sake, then this: "The human body is meant to be slender and lean while being quick, agile, and flexible. If your body doesn't want you to gain weight, then I wouldn't attempt it" is absolutely correct. If your training for a specific sport, weight will become a factor. As with Greg, sometimes fat mass is not a big deal (for an extreme example look at football line-men).
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Old 10-14-2006, 06:47 AM   #6
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I'm 5'11". A couple of years ago I bottomed out at 155 lbs when training for a half marathon. People thought I was sick or on drugs. CF got me to 162-165. Then started eating (including high fiber grains but not gallon of milk stuff) and switched my WO's to Rip's SS stuff plus my own upper/lower split creations. In the last 18 months I've gone from 165 to just over 180. Not sure where I'm heading, but definitely feel better now vs then. I'm guesstimating my BF went from around 9-10% to 12%ish, so obviously it wasn't all muscle gain. I'm a heck of a lot stronger, no plans on going back to 160. Might flirt with 190 before putting metcon back into the schedule on a more regular basis.
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Old 10-14-2006, 09:33 AM   #7
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"The human body is meant to be slender and lean while being quick, agile, and flexible. If your body doesn't want you to gain weight, then I wouldn't attempt it"

This seems to be a pretty sweeping statement given the vast variation in body types. Leave aside (unhealthy) Western cultures and look at people who live in cultures that are closer to early human existence. They range in size from pygmies to giants. Their body types range in size as well. Or look at 16 year olds, before their diet becomes a major factor in their health: huge variation in body types. So what exactly is the mechanism that says we should all be lean and agile.

Even an individual can vary. As an adult, I've been 182lbs at 6% body fat and 225lbs at 8% body fat. I went from a bike-riding runner to a hockey-playing, weightlifter. Are you telling me that it's unhealthy for me to be more muscular? Certainly it comes in handy for hockey, even adult hockey. Are there long term consequences to being more muscular? maybe, but where's the proof?

On the second part of the statement, clearly metabolisms vary but that no more means that we should blame our metabolism from not gaining muscle than we should for gaining fat. It's an excuse. The people who are hardgainers just need to eat more.

I guess there is some evidence that a calorie-deprived, slow metabolism lifestyle will maximize longevity. Trees are pretty calorie-deprived, slow metabolism but I don't think I'd opt for standing in one place all day with squirrels pooping on me. :biglaugh:

Better to burn out, than to rust away, I think.
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Old 10-14-2006, 11:31 AM   #8
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Having a lot of muscle is far, far better for you than:

- Eating awfully.
- Drinking.
- Smoking.
- Not wearing a seatbelt. (up for debate)

I'll take the muscle. ;D
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Old 10-14-2006, 05:24 PM   #9
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I still remember when I was big. I would never trade the 40lbs of mass for how I feel right now, including the 25% more strength I had then.
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