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Old 04-30-2008, 07:13 PM   #1
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Bulking?

Just wondering how CrossFit or the CrossFit philosophy as it were, views the practice of "bulking".

Of course by that I mean consuming an excess of calories, combined with weight training, in order to increase muscle mass.

I'm eating 3500 calories a day right now. My maintenance level is around 2600 to 3000 depending if it's a workout day or not. My diet is pretty close to the CrossFit diet though I probably eat a little more starch than you all would agree with. I enjoy pasta a few times a week, and potatoes a few times a week. Otherwise all my carbs are low GI- oats, fruits, rice cakes, brown rice, etc, plus veggies.. I don't eat enough of those.. broccoli or beans twice a day.. anyway..

Do most people who practice CrossFit seek only to increase fitness levels rather than adding muscle mass?

Without adding muscle mass I would imagine it's hard to increase the weights used on the various exercises. Isn't it a waste of time to keep lifting the same weight all the time?

Help clear me up on this.. thanks.
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Old 04-30-2008, 07:20 PM   #2
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Re: Bulking?

Search for "Starting Strength".
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Old 04-30-2008, 08:11 PM   #3
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Otherwise all my carbs are low GI- oats, fruits, rice cakes, brown rice, etc, plus veggies.. I don't eat enough of those.. broccoli or beans twice a day.. anyway..
Rice cakes are not low GI. Depening on which table you look at, they have a GI of 78-110.

Also, Dr. Sears on p. 19 of Mastering the Zone says, "And the food with perhaps the highest glycemic index on record? It's those puffed rice cakes, which have become the staple of every dieter on a high-carbohydrate, low-fat program."
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Old 04-30-2008, 09:19 PM   #4
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Re: Bulking?

Barry, like Julius said, Starting Strength has all the answers for what you are asking. In a nutshell, you drink a gallon of whole milk a day on top of the calories you need to maintain your weight and do a bodybuilding routine with exercises that incorporate multiple muscle groups for optimal results.
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Old 04-30-2008, 09:35 PM   #5
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Re: Bulking?

I'm a newb as well and was wondering almost the same thing, what happens when you follow the excess calories (gallon of milk), but do the WOD instead of SS? My apologies if this has already been addressed.
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Old 05-01-2008, 02:07 AM   #6
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I'm a newb as well and was wondering almost the same thing, what happens when you follow the excess calories (gallon of milk), but do the WOD instead of SS? My apologies if this has already been addressed.
What do you think happens?

Consuming excess calories, regardless of what you're doing, is going to put on mass. If you can do a CrossFit WOD with a gallon of milk in your stomach, then I envy you. I would not dream of doing WODs along with the gallon-o-milk diet (and I know we're not all drinking it all at once).

The quality of those calories will determine whether that mass tends to go on as fat or as muscle, typically. The workout will increase the pace of the muscle mass gain, depending on what kind of workout it is. Starting Strength is geared towards this: it's not so much a mass builder as it is a strength builder, but the mass comes with the territory.

CrossFit in and of itself is not a mass building program. Some people will do Max Effort "Black Box" days in between their CrossFit WOD days in order to stay up with the heavy lifting. Others will start out doing Starting Strength to get their mass and strength up before diving into the WODs.

If you're consuming good, excess calories, and doing the CrossFit WOD, you will lean up, and mass up to a point where your body is efficient. It won't be as quick as if you were body building, because that's not the goal of CrossFit.
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:26 AM   #7
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Re: Bulking?

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Just wondering how CrossFit or the CrossFit philosophy as it were, views the practice of "bulking".

Of course by that I mean consuming an excess of calories, combined with weight training, in order to increase muscle mass.

I'm eating 3500 calories a day right now. My maintenance level is around 2600 to 3000 depending if it's a workout day or not. My diet is pretty close to the CrossFit diet though I probably eat a little more starch than you all would agree with. I enjoy pasta a few times a week, and potatoes a few times a week. Otherwise all my carbs are low GI- oats, fruits, rice cakes, brown rice, etc, plus veggies.. I don't eat enough of those.. broccoli or beans twice a day.. anyway..

Do most people who practice CrossFit seek only to increase fitness levels rather than adding muscle mass?

Without adding muscle mass I would imagine it's hard to increase the weights used on the various exercises. Isn't it a waste of time to keep lifting the same weight all the time?

Help clear me up on this.. thanks.
http://************.net/forum/showthread.php?t=431

Pay special attention to every single thing Mark Rippetoe says in that thread. If you're in a hurry, you can skip past what other people are saying, and just read his comments.

Matter of fact, read his book "Starting Strength", and it'll also explain the same things about milk for slapping on mass.
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Old 05-01-2008, 07:43 AM   #8
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Without adding muscle mass I would imagine it's hard to increase the weights used on the various exercises.
Mass does not equal strength. Google Naim Suleymanoglu; if you're lifting more than he did, then we'll talk.
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Old 05-01-2008, 06:14 PM   #9
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Rice cakes are not low GI. Depening on which table you look at, they have a GI of 78-110.

Also, Dr. Sears on p. 19 of Mastering the Zone says, "And the food with perhaps the highest glycemic index on record? It's those puffed rice cakes, which have become the staple of every dieter on a high-carbohydrate, low-fat program."
My rice cakes are organic brown rice cakes. Sorry should have made that clear. Also I eat them with cottage cheese on the side, and smear half a tablespoon of natty peanut butter on each so the GI is pretty much negligible either way but I am pretty sure brown rice cakes alone would be pretty low GI.

Aside from that, even rice cakes alone are so low in calories that the glycemic load will be very low. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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http://************.net/forum/showthread.php?t=431

Pay special attention to every single thing Mark Rippetoe says in that thread. If you're in a hurry, you can skip past what other people are saying, and just read his comments.

Matter of fact, read his book "Starting Strength", and it'll also explain the same things about milk for slapping on mass.
Thanks I have that book actually but I only read the parts on squatting and deadlifting. I'll take another look.
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