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Old 04-04-2010, 03:26 PM   #21
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Re: Why Should One Be Fit?

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I know a tennis player who just had a heart attack this past weekend. It could be me tomorrow.
My point is that getting fit is largely not going to help you in this regard, your diet will.

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You probably feel great because you improved your diet and you are doing something you find personally enjoyable, just like another person would find walking their dog or playing chess enjoyable.

Oh, and no arguments here that Crossfit will increase your fitness, objectively. I congratulate you on your personal accomplishments with regard to your fitness.
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Old 04-04-2010, 03:31 PM   #22
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Again, when the centagenarians were young they were intensely physically active. Chopping wood is high intensity without a stopwatch. How consciencious they were about it is irrelevant.
I'm not looking to get lectured on what hunter gatherer populations or populations that produce high levels of centenarians do or not do with regard to exercise, when I have studied it and you are ignorant of the data.

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Old 04-04-2010, 03:34 PM   #23
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Re: Why Should One Be Fit?

Brian, I agree. That's why I am speaking personally.

It may simply be that I am engaging in a passion, and it's a passion which, at least according to some studies, may "objectively" contribute to my feeling so good. I can't talk about any other person or culture.. just remark on the difference between how I feel today as opposed to 1.5 years ago.

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Old 04-04-2010, 04:31 PM   #24
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Well what is the point of living to 100 if you are not living? I believe it is better to live a life of passion, kicking *** and taking names, then to "live" a long life of weak, mundane existence. Even if exercise cut 20 years off of my life I would still do it because it would teach me that there is more to life than avoiding death.
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Old 04-04-2010, 04:55 PM   #25
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And yes, I look better nekkid now than I have in years.


^^sorry, couldn't resist.

What Daniel said. Doing hard stuff in Crossfit makes other hard things seem not so bad.
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Old 04-04-2010, 05:11 PM   #26
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I'm not looking to get lectured on what hunter gatherer populations or populations that produce high levels of centenarians do or not do with regard to exercise, when I have studied it and you are ignorant of the data.

Why are you assuming I'm ignorant of the data? I didn't mention hunter gatherers.

Again, what's your point? If you want to walk and garden for "longevity" good on ya. Why debare it here? What validation are you looking for?

I believe that people growing up in the 10s and 20s were physically active based on the requirements for living then. You disagree. Cite some sources, or move on.

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Old 04-04-2010, 07:39 PM   #27
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Re: Why Should One Be Fit?

Reminds me of the guy who ate 50 banana's a day or something like that. This guys looking for a debate and nothing more. my recommendation is stop fueling the fire.

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Old 04-04-2010, 07:52 PM   #28
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My first post on this forum. I looked into the principles about Crossfit and there was a lot of emphasis on fitness. I thought it would be appropriate to post this in the Fitness Theory section of the forum. From what I understand, the approximate definition of fitness used at Crossfit is something like the ability to do work across a number of domains such as flexibility, power, strength, endurance capacity, etc.
First and foremost, your synopsis of CrossFit is so myopic, it's insulting.

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My question is, why train these, especially in such a holistic non-specialist manner (apart from enjoyment)?
Um, what? You seem so concerned with longevity and health, yet you're worried about our lack of specialization? I fail to see the connection. Why don't you educate us lowly and uneducated people as to why a holistic, non-specialist approach to training is inferior to some other form of specialized regimen.

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Let me say before the discussion begins that I'm very sceptical of the idea that training fitness improves health or increases longevity, except in the most detrained of individuals, or people who are driving themselves into diabetes because of an extremely bad diet.
This is simple. Test it on yourself. Follow a scaled version of CrossFit.com programming for as long as you feel is sufficient. Before and after, test whatever markers of health that you deem important. If there is no change, then you can come back here and gloat that we're all a bunch of kool-aid chugging cultists. If there is a positive change, then maybe we're on to something that the literature hasn't caught up to yet.

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I watched a recent TED Talk by a researcher...
Many of these people are "researchers" too: The Flat Earth Society (W/F/S).

I'm not saying that your research/sources aren't valid, only pointing out that it's possible to find literature to support almost any position.

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...who studied centenarian hot spots around the world and he found that almost none of these communities sought out conscious, hard exercise. Most did relaxing exercise such as gardening or family walks, which also tend to provide stress relief and bonding benefits.
Sounds delightful. Maybe you should move into one of these communities. I mean, if your sole goal is to become a centenarian, then wouldn't it stand to reason that you should place yourself firmly into position to do just that? I would wager that replicating the lifestyle of those cultures would be quite difficult in the modern Western world.

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It seems like a good diet is sufficient to ward off the diseases of civilisation (Paleo diet might be the answer). If we could be charitable and grant that intense exercise such as Crossfit is certainly not necessary for health and longevity, then is the only reason to train Crossfit for the fun and challenge factor (like any other sport)?
Is CrossFit the key to health and longevity? It's obviously not the only way to fly. But on the same token, you need some form of supporting literature that shows intense, mixed-modal exercise has deleterious effects on health and longevity.

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Old 04-04-2010, 07:53 PM   #29
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Todd, I agree. That was my thought too. But I just can't resist!

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Old 04-04-2010, 08:30 PM   #30
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Re: Why Should One Be Fit?

Well put, Alex. And I'm sorry, Todd, I can't resist either

Listen Bryan, about longevity, your right. If you've been healthy your whole life you DO NOT need to push yourself the way we push ourselves to have a very long and healthy life.

There. You're right about longevity.

But so what? Maybe all you want is longevity but CFers enjoy the following:
1) being strong
2) being fast
3) being powerful
4) being agile
5) knowing that you can push yourself harder than the people you sit next to
6) knowing that you can physically handle whatever might come your way, especially if your life could likely depend on it
7) being able to easily enjoy many physical activities, even one's you're new to, because of a broadly inclusive fitness
8) being more than average
9) finding out that you have a greater physical potential than you thought possible
10) becoming a part of a community that shares camaraderie and collective drive to learn and improve
11) enjoying friendly competition with others
12) learning about your limits, both physical and mental
13) being able to do common tasks, such as moving furniture, without needing assistance
14) being able to do hard physical labor, if necessary, without having to worry much about injury or severe soreness or fatigue afterwords

If you don't see an appeal to any of these things, or want to find a more comfortable way to achieve some of them than CrossFit, then you should keep moving, because this is clearly not the place for you.
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