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Old 09-26-2013, 04:46 PM   #41
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

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I'm not saying that being in ketosis couldn't be a valid to lose weight/fat. I'm just saying the same thing most all the other detractors here are - it's not really sustainable for most people for the reason I just stated.

It's not better for performance than a balanced diet. Might be equal in some respects as has been discussed, but that's at best.

It's not better for maintaining or gaining weight, unless you load up on tons and tons of fats, and I'm no expert nutritionist but I can't see where that would be any healthier than the unbalanced high carb diets that this diet is trying to combat.

It's a pain in the butt to follow. If you do it as prescribed, you're basically forcing yourself to never eat out or otherwise share meals with others.

So, in short, it just doesn't seem practical to me for the average person.

And yes, Alexander is going to come in here and say it's worked for him. There are always outliers to every situation.
I guess I have to now

Here is the thing. For 19 years (from age 27 to 46), I was struggling to stay in shape on a "balanced diet", but would gain about 1.5 lb per year. Then for the next 13 years (46 to 59) I went keto and it was magical for me. So I have done both, balanced and keto. Most people who flame keto have never tried it or tried it, but didn't take it far enough to become keto-adapted.

For me being on keto is not hard, because I like eggs, nuts and anything else that runs or swims. I don't even ever crave carbs even when they are in front of my face. On the other hand, I know, since it happened to me before, if I start eating carbs, I will go into a horrible binge, like a recovering drunk after one shot of whiskey.
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Old 09-26-2013, 04:57 PM   #42
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

While "individual results may vary," I think this is inspiring and a reflection of what the average male adult struggles with on a daily basis. Perhaps ketosis isn't necessary or even advantageous for CrossFit, but you can't neglect its potential efficacy for the 2 out of 3 overweight people in America.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:23 PM   #43
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

I still contend it is a way of eating that tricks you into less calories that works for the individual. Glad it worked for you.
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:55 PM   #44
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I still contend it is a way of eating that tricks you into less calories that works for the individual. Glad it worked for you.
Would you agree that high-carb diets trick you into eating more calories? 'Cause I'm cool with that.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:01 PM   #45
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

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Would you agree that high-carb diets trick you into eating more calories? 'Cause I'm cool with that.
Eating crap/junk food tricks you into eating more calories because you don't realize you are eating so many calories. That's why tracking your calories is the best way until you learn to estimate.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:08 PM   #46
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Would you agree that high-carb diets trick you into eating more calories? 'Cause I'm cool with that.
Rice and legumes tricks you into eating more calories? I think not. Ice cream and twinkies? Yeah, I probably agree. Whole foods are the key in my opinion. Paulo nailed it.
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Old 09-26-2013, 11:15 PM   #47
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

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Poly unsaturated fats are not bad. where did the idea they were come from? Why is ghee better than olive oil?
http://butterbeliever.com/what-is-pufa/

butter FTW, simple as that! Or lard!
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:05 AM   #48
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

I know what poly unsaturated fats are....

That article is rife with mis-information.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3551671/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2843598/

Long, but worth review:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2654180/

For fun:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2888560/

All links WFS
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:54 AM   #49
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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

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I'm inspired to look for studies done on athletes in ketosis (enter Darryl). To the internet!
Ketogenic diets and physical performance.
Stephen D Phinney, Nutr Metab (Lond). 2004; 1: 2.


Ketogenic diet does not affect strength performance in elite artistic gymnasts.
Paoli et al. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2012, 9:34


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Re: What can low-carb (ketosis) do for you?

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Bill, when a study talks about high-fat diets, it's useless, for someone who is in the state of nutritional ketosis (NK). This has been discussed at length in the "JumpstartMD Full Interview with Drs. Stephen Phinney & Jeff Volek" that I quoted earlier in the thread.

The nuance here is that if one is on a high-fat diet without ketosis then dietary saturated fats are not burned, but stored and circulated, in high concentrations, which is correlated with CVD and DM2. Also PUFAs are less harmful with abundance of carbs in the diet.

If, on the other hand, one is in the NK-adapted state, then the situation is reversed. Dietary mono and saturated are burned (and preferred) for energy. The storage and circulation of saturated fats is minimal, but PUFAs become pro-inflammatory.

So, it's meaningless to talk about effects of macronutrients in the diet, without stating if one is in the state of NK or not.

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