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Old 04-11-2012, 05:40 AM   #11
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Andy, I have researched Andy. It's a tough decision for me. But lack of sex drive, poor recovery, poor sleep , and low energy are all pretty hard to deal with too.

I have a buddy who gets a shot from the doc once A month. And he feels great . I'm sure it's a placebo effect thus early but I had more energy and slept better than I have in ages.

Jason, I asked him if it was a long term treatment and he said he wanted to give a series of shot to boost my levels and hopefully they would maintain there. I think they would drop back down even lower as I'm sure it would shut me down. I thought that I could always get some nolvadex or clomid, or request it.mat that point it's like I'm doing a cycle. Which I don't like the idea of... But what do you do when you have symptoms , and your levels are on the low end. Just ignore it ?!?!
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:45 AM   #12
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Apparently 600 is average to a .35 yo. I was 398. So not a huge discrepancy .

But my free testosterone was 44 on a scale of 42-150. And that's the number that had me worried.

Believe me guys, I'm extremely nervous and am doubting my decision. But my lack of drive is effecting my relationship with my future wife.

The only other solution he offered was cialis/ Viagra. But I don't want to got that route either
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:06 AM   #13
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Future wife? Just get married, after a month or two your sex drives will match up!
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Old 04-11-2012, 06:20 AM   #14
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There are people who do this illegally that don't worry as much as you. You're going to a doc who earned his degree which ain't easy otherwise we would all be docs. Enjoy it and reap the benefits.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:29 AM   #15
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There are people who do this illegally that don't worry as much as you. You're going to a doc who earned his degree which ain't easy otherwise we would all be docs. Enjoy it and reap the benefits.
Be careful, just because he has a degree doesn't mean he knows what he is doing. The education regarding anabolic compounds in med school for most is limited. Most of hormone edcuation/treatment is very disease focused--hypothyroidism, hyperthyroidism, Cushing's disease.

If I were to consider testosterone treatment, I'd want someone who has exeperience and understanding. Possibly an endocrinologist. Or someone who has some additional training in this.

There is some controversy when it comes to hormone treatments. Some conservative docs don't want to touch you unless you actually have low levels fearing disruption of your normal hormone production.

Others will be more aggressive treating symptoms or using things like testosterone and HGH to improve quality of life and not necessarily treat a disease.

This is complicated by the fact that some hormone oriented clinics suggest they can stop the aging process and appear money grubbing.

I'm not saying what the OP did is wrong or not being supervised properly, but I think it would be wise to have more info from a doc before starting a treatment.

Usually, when I treat someone with a medication I like to inform them about the exact disease/disorder I'm treating, various treatment options, what we expect treatment to do, what common side-effects there are and what scary side-effects there are. Then if they feel comfortable we move forward.

When diseases aren't clear, I emphasize when we are going off the beaten path and the unknown or higher risks involved. Based on the comment that a med tech was chasing him down with a needle, I'm not certain such a discussion occurred.
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Old 04-11-2012, 07:31 AM   #16
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Jason, I asked him if it was a long term treatment and he said he wanted to give a series of shot to boost my levels and hopefully they would maintain there. I think they would drop back down even lower as I'm sure it would shut me down. I thought that I could always get some nolvadex or clomid, or request it.mat that point it's like I'm doing a cycle. Which I don't like the idea of... But what do you do when you have symptoms , and your levels are on the low end. Just ignore it ?!?!
I'm not at all saying don't do it, but I've never heard of test replacement boosting natural production. Then again, I'm no doctor. Enjoy the benefits, and remind your wife to send the doc a thank you note .
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:36 AM   #17
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TRT is a lifelong commitment. Your endo will be checking your bloodwork often to make sure estradiol and other hormones are in check. As long as everything is being monitored there aren't very many if any negatives. If you decide to have kids, you will be put on HCG therapy and possibly a few other hormonal supplements to begin producing your own natural testosterone and up your sperm count.
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:43 AM   #18
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All good points.. I know this doc is pretty heavy handed with the depot test, after talking to friends who have gone.

I've never wanted to do steroids, but I guess I can treat this as doing a legal, medical grade cycle. I'm gonna talk to him about post cycle therapy and such.

Funny thing is, I'm not a huge guy, but I'm 204 lbs and solid. He looked at me and was convinced that I messed up my T levels from doing steroids in the past. He asked me if I had used steroids like 4 times. And I honestly haven't.

I believe I've been on the low end my whole life. Fat gain, insomnia, energy levels have been a struggle my whole life. I even developed some gyno and fat gain when I went through puberty .

I have also always been a non aggressive passive person. Which through the years always affected me when I've played sports.

So maybe this will be a blessing, no turning back now. At
Least on the first shot.

The doc also said that if I wasn't getting morning wood, my test was low. I haven't gotten morningwood regularly in a very long time..

Out of curiosity, How common is morning wood in middle aged men....
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Old 04-11-2012, 08:59 AM   #19
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Out of curiosity, How common is morning wood in middle aged men....
I'll need pics of the wife to determine that...
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:40 PM   #20
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Bob,
I don't know if my story can help, but my knowledge may be able to. I am on TRT - I take 100mg of Test Enanthanate a week. My levels always come back around 400 to 450 ng/dl unless I have them taken before 10 a.m. (and then they will be around 500 to 550 ng/dl). In any event, I have useds PEDs in my past - about 10 years ago for about five or six cycles over a 2 year time frame when all the baseball players looked like underwear models. I have always been a large thick man - the cycles caused me to lean out and lose weight. In hindsight, I knew nothing about diet and proper periodization with my training - had I known then what I know now, things would have been a lot different.

In any event, I did not grow facial hair until I started using the PEDs at around age 30. I was never considered aggressive; if anything, I was very mild and lacked confidence was certainly, in hindsight, insecure.

When I started the aforementioned cycles, I grew facial hair and went from 265 pounds at approximately 22 percent bodyfat down to 235 pounds and 6 percent bodyfat. All the while I was eating the same foods - and in hindsight it was crap. I never took more than 600mg of combined substances a week and never for more than 12 weeks. The rule for me then was 12 weeks on 12 weeks offf. When I went off cycle, I would gain weight and fat, but my strength was always comparable.

Fast forward to 2006. My bodyweight was around 290. I had not used any PEDS for nearly 4 years. My blood pressure was high. My blood work was abysmal. Went through a horrible divorce. In hindsight, I was likely in the high 20s in the bodyfat percentage. I never stopped training. I continued to lift and train as I had in the past. Basically a power bodybuilder - big and strong. My PCP referred me to an endo because I was "not myself" - I had no libido, no morning wood, my confidence was crap, and I just didn't have it. No real real go. If that makes any sense.

Anyway, after a series of tests, I was put on androgel - or as my friends called it - Barry Bonds suncscreen. I immediately noticed a difference. Libido improved. Blood work improved. Lost weight and got leaner. At the same time, I started doing crossfit style workouts. Eventually, because my wife started getting hair in the wrong places and I feared the gel was rubbing off on my adolescent daughters, I switched to weekly self administered injections. I have to be honest, the TRT jump started a part of my life when it was most needed.

Fast forward to now, I'm 265 at around 15 to 17 percent bodyfat. I don't do many traditional crossfit workouts anymore because they leave my CNS exhausted for the training for my hobby/sport and most of the workouts are a bit too tough for the aging joints on a large framed man. I strength train every other day and event train for my sport on the off days. I feel great. I am actually stronger now at 42 than I was at 32 when I used PEDs. Actually, I'm stronger now than I've ever been in just about every movement - and even functionally (I do a lot of strongman training as part of my strength training). My training is very regimented and my diet is equally regimented. I have remarried to a wonderful woman who trains with me in both the gym and my hobby. I've gotten all my blood work and health indicators looking fantastic. I truly feel blessed.

The only negative thing I've undergone thus far in the six years I've been on TRT is that I have had repeated blood tests that revealed elevated liver enzymes. Historically, they have always been high. No higher than before I started this foray many years ago. But, out of an abundance of caution, last Fall I went off the TRT for 4 months to "cleanse" and track my liver enzymes while off the therapy. Those 4 months were wicked hard on me. I did not gain any fat. I purposely trained harder during this time frame to keep myself in decent shape. I did, however, watch several entire TV Series on Netflix in abbreviated time frames (compared to not watching TV at all as I'm always moving). I just ate less to make up for the lack of activity. The wife actually enjoyed the lack of harassment. I, however, did not.

In any event, I've written the above with the hope that you understand that it's not steroids. It's something that can make your life better if you keep track of everything and understand it's only a tool no different than anxiety medication or any other medication. Used in moderation, it's affects and effects can be positive. Used to excess is just that - excess.

I do, however, take great issue with the protocol the doctor is utilizing to "jump start" your test levels. What the others have written about HCG would be a be a more prudent protocol. Moreover, 3 shots is not a proper course - that will likely shut down your already sensitive endocrine system. Unless this protocol is something I'm completely unaware of - which is not out of the realm of possibility, but certainly nothing that I or my endo ever discussed.

Good luck.

All the best,
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