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Old 02-24-2012, 04:10 PM   #61
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

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Belts do not help strengthen your core. They prevent you from building core strength. Always using a belt when you go heavy will build a dependency on it. I stopped using a belt 4 years ago and have had no back problems, and can still pull just as much weight
Then why are my abs always screaming after I wear a belt for a heavy set of deadlifts or squats or front squats?

As has been discussed over and over, a belt doesn't do any work for you. It simply reduces thoracic volume and gives your abs something to brace against.
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Old 02-29-2012, 07:45 AM   #62
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

Late to the game - but agree that the rounding in the video needs to be worked on.

you're a super strong guy, but trust me from experience a low back injury is brutal...and never completely goes away.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:37 PM   #63
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

I haven't been around much the past few years, and a lot of what was written about this 525 pull has already been addressed. My only thought on watching this near max effort pull was - don't drop the weight. Otherwise, it was a near max effort lift that showed flaws that everyone exhibits at or near max effort lifts. Rounding back and a tendency to hitch.

My guess is if we took 50 pounds off the bar, he would not round as much as he did with this weight.

Same for Eric's pulls from blocks. Sound form in my mind.

All the best pullers on the planet round a bit on near max effort pulls - Benni, Andy Bolton, Konstanov (sp) - at least the ones that pull conventional. But none of them drop the weight once they lock it out.

And, well done Sean. Keep up the awesome work!

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Old 02-29-2012, 05:11 PM   #64
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

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I haven't been around much the past few years, and a lot of what was written about this 525 pull has already been addressed. My only thought on watching this near max effort pull was - don't drop the weight. Otherwise, it was a near max effort lift that showed flaws that everyone exhibits at or near max effort lifts. Rounding back and a tendency to hitch.

My guess is if we took 50 pounds off the bar, he would not round as much as he did with this weight.

Same for Eric's pulls from blocks. Sound form in my mind.

All the best pullers on the planet round a bit on near max effort pulls - Benni, Andy Bolton, Konstanov (sp) - at least the ones that pull conventional. But none of them drop the weight once they lock it out.

And, well done Sean. Keep up the awesome work!

All the best,
Arden
I respectfully disagree. There is HUGE difference between thoracic rounding and lumbar rounding. I can guarantee you that the best deadlift era DO NOT have lower back rounding on their heavy lifts...
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Old 02-29-2012, 08:12 PM   #65
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I respectfully disagree. There is HUGE difference between thoracic rounding and lumbar rounding. I can guarantee you that the best deadlift era DO NOT have lower back rounding on their heavy lifts...
May need to watch the young fella's vid again. It wasn't pretty - but it wasn't overly cat in litter box like. No one's lifts at near max effort are. Save perhaps Andy Bolton. But he only pulls over 9 in competitions. He never goes over 8, from the floor, in training. Everything from the pins. There's a reason for that in my mind and longevity is one of them. If this young fella doesn't lighten up and tighten up, longevity will not be an issue for him? Only time will truly tell.

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Old 03-01-2012, 12:01 PM   #66
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May need to watch the young fella's vid again. It wasn't pretty - but it wasn't overly cat in litter box like. No one's lifts at near max effort are. Save perhaps Andy Bolton. But he only pulls over 9 in competitions. He never goes over 8, from the floor, in training. Everything from the pins. There's a reason for that in my mind and longevity is one of them. If this young fella doesn't lighten up and tighten up, longevity will not be an issue for him? Only time will truly tell.

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I went back and watched it again. He does have a some good rounding below the thorasic spine. I then immediately watched this vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYt7H-pzEe4

As Konstantin rounds pretty good too. And what he's pulling in these vids is unworldly. I'm guessing that rack/platform pull was close to a 1000 because the greens are 50kg plates. The fact that he can do that without straps for a triple is .......

The young fella who posted the vid at the very beginning has no where near the thickness as Konstanin. Maybe a 10 or 12 year old Konstanin. So he really needs to concentrate more on "chest out, feet through the floor."

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Old 03-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #67
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

I don't understand why the thread starter would post a video, say "input would be great" and then respond to negatively to the input when provided.

I mean, I'm a rank beginner and man...that back was ROUND. The guys here many of whom can DL more than that are telling you the back is ROUND.

round back
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dude.

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Old 03-14-2012, 09:35 PM   #68
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

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I don't understand why the thread starter would post a video, say "input would be great" and then respond to negatively to the input when provided.

I mean, I'm a rank beginner and man...that back was ROUND. The guys here many of whom can DL more than that are telling you the back is ROUND.

round back
little dude (no girth)
525 lbs

dude.


i appreciate the input from everyone that has responded. I have heard everyone, and will listen to some. Ive never got injured or had any set back training the way i train, my form is not perfect on a max effort lift and thats alright in my opinion. Can it be cleaned up a little bit, absolutely

go buckeyes
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:36 AM   #69
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

Yep. It's called digital coaching, not digital compliments. If you want to be congratulated, show the video to your girlfriend.

If you want to celebrate a PR and don't need / want advice, just say so. Others have done exactly that on here.

But if you post something with bad form, you are going to get advice and the posters will correctly assume you want it.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:17 AM   #70
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Re: New Deadlift PR at 525

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i appreciate the input from everyone that has responded. I have heard everyone, and will listen to some. Ive never got injured or had any set back training the way i train, my form is not perfect on a max effort lift and thats alright in my opinion. Can it be cleaned up a little bit, absolutely

go buckeyes
Actually, good for you. If the goal is continual progress, it is best to err to experience.

Good luck and go heavy.

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