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Old 02-24-2011, 01:53 PM   #11
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Re: Paleo Kits vs Primal Pacs ?

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i have tried the paleo kits and love them, but i will be buying some primal pacs to try them out. im glad that they both exist for us to choose from , im shure that in the next few years there will be thers popping up some may even be cheaper. but ill continue to support paleo kits as well as buy from others.
Eugene, since I know what we buy the ingredients for and how much we sell them for....I can tell you that it is very unlikely you will see the same kind of jerky nuts and berries for less than what we sell them for. For the what we pay in price and the level of quality of our ingredients, our prices are super competitive.

If you find a similar product for cheaper they are likely to use "chopped and formed" jerky which is highly processed and a far inferior product.

I wrote an article on it today to help educate more people on the difference between the two as most people don't know and just shop by price.

Check out the article HERE. (work/family safe)
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Old 02-24-2011, 02:24 PM   #12
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Eugene, since I know what we buy the ingredients for and how much we sell them for....I can tell you that it is very unlikely you will see the same kind of jerky nuts and berries for less than what we sell them for. For the what we pay in price and the level of quality of our ingredients, our prices are super competitive.

If you find a similar product for cheaper they are likely to use "chopped and formed" jerky which is highly processed and a far inferior product.

I wrote an article on it today to help educate more people on the difference between the two as most people don't know and just shop by price.

Check out the article HERE. (work/family safe)
Im not in the jerky making business so i wont flat out disagee but you are selling under a lb of dried meat, vacuum packed for $30. I have my doubts that that is bottom dollar.

Steve may i ask what cut of meat you use for your jerky? I get damn good prices on my grassfed, maybe i should look into jerky making.
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Old 02-24-2011, 04:06 PM   #13
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Im not in the jerky making business so i wont flat out disagee but you are selling under a lb of dried meat, vacuum packed for $30. I have my doubts that that is bottom dollar.

Steve may i ask what cut of meat you use for your jerky? I get damn good prices on my grassfed, maybe i should look into jerky making.
We use round cuts and we do get good prices on our grassfed meat...but I think you are greatly overlooking the various material, labor and overhead costs involved in making jerky and bringing a final ready to eat food product to the market. Not to mention that a pound of meat yields about 1/3 pound of jerky. Water is lost in the dehydration and curing process so if you start with a pound of meat, we're lucky if we get a third of a pound of jerky out of it.

Making jerky for your family and friends is one thing but making jerky under USDA regs to sell across state borders is an entire different ballgame. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting into the business, but would highly suggest one to fully research the costs to make jerky in a usda facility and the risks involved in selling a meat related product.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:20 PM   #14
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We use round cuts and we do get good prices on our grassfed meat...but I think you are greatly overlooking the various material, labor and overhead costs involved in making jerky and bringing a final ready to eat food product to the market. Not to mention that a pound of meat yields about 1/3 pound of jerky. Water is lost in the dehydration and curing process so if you start with a pound of meat, we're lucky if we get a third of a pound of jerky out of it.

Making jerky for your family and friends is one thing but making jerky under USDA regs to sell across state borders is an entire different ballgame. I wouldn't discourage anyone from getting into the business, but would highly suggest one to fully research the costs to make jerky in a usda facility and the risks involved in selling a meat related product.
Good info, thanks. I will look into these things.
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:37 PM   #15
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Has anyone had these "primal pacs"? Ive had the Paleo Kits, I like them put $$ (yes I know good cause etc etc), please let me know, I might order 5 to try them.

Cant comment on the primal pacs but SWEET Avatar haha !
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Old 02-24-2011, 05:40 PM   #16
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Zach, good luck on your future business venture.
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Old 02-25-2011, 06:54 AM   #17
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Steve, I work in insurance and have toured many food processors of various different types and sizes. I have the utmost admiration for anyone that can weave their way through the maze of food regulations, HACCP requirements and voluminous paperwork involved in the documentation that is needed. There is a lot more involved than just slapping a bit of food into a plastic bag.

Thanks for a great and convenient product. And thanks for supporting such a worthy cause.
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:09 AM   #18
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Primal Pacs are an original idea that provides a healthy snack alternative in a world full of highly processed, unhealthy foods.

All components of Primal Pacs are handled, stored, and packaged in a facility that exceeds USDA regulations. What does this mean? Are you USDA certified or not?

Our beef is of excellent quality and is sourced locally from California and Washington. What does this mean? Grass fed or not?

Our cranberries are from a small farm in Oregon and contain no oils, however they are sweetened with apple juice.

We are proud to not use any sugar in our jerky recipe.

We will be competitive in the new world of paleo foods well into the future and are looking forward to helping people everywhere make better nutritional decisions.

Best, Matt

Truly interested in the above bold questions. I think it's important to define what we are saying.
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Steve, I work in insurance and have toured many food processors of various different types and sizes. I have the utmost admiration for anyone that can weave their way through the maze of food regulations, HACCP requirements and voluminous paperwork involved in the documentation that is needed. There is a lot more involved than just slapping a bit of food into a plastic bag.

Thanks for a great and convenient product. And thanks for supporting such a worthy cause.
This truly made my day. Thank you so much for the kind words, Diane.

I can't begin to tell you how hard (and frustrating) over the years it has been to get to this point but I can honestly say it has all been worth it.

I am so fortunate to be able to serve the CrossFit community and make healthy food products that give me the opportunity to do what I love doing, which is bring CrossFit to kids in the city of Camden and now spread the concept to other cities around the country.

Thanks to the growing support of PaleoKits within the CrossFit community, we had the resources to build the infrastructure (and website) over the last year for the Steve's Club National Program which we are officially launching next week.

Please check out our new website HERE and let us know what you think.

Thanks!

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Primal Pacs are an original idea that provides a healthy snack alternative in a world full of highly processed, unhealthy foods....
I tried my best to sit quiet and avoid engaging in anything that may be perceived as jealous or negatively bias on my part, but I'm sorry I can't resist.

As previously stated, I have absolutely no issue at all with competition which is as American as apple pie and only brings out the best (or sometimes the worst) in a company. I also realize, I do expect to have a monopoly on the market with a simple mix of jerky, nuts and berries in a vacuum sealed bag and have realistic expectations that anxious entrepreneurs and existing businesses will try to capitalize on the growing market and attempt to duplicate a PaleoKit in a similar format or another. Do you guys remember Dick Steven's caveman mix? http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=59496 (work/family safe).

But please don't say your product is original when you know, I know and everyone else knows that it is not. You can copy the product all you want, but
when you go as far as calling it original...you're making a complete fool of myself and everyone else in this community. It is no different than me calling my CrossFit affiliate an original idea while completely dismissing everything that Greg Glassman has worked so hard to create and market under the CrossFit name.

I realize I can get somewhat over protective about this and risk the line of over reacting but anyone that knows me...knows how much I care about my customers, the community, the kids I serve and how hard I worked over the last 5 years to continue to perfect our product offerings and do the community right... so hopefully you can understand that it is quite insulting when I see someone come along duplicate the product and then have the audacity to call the idea original.

It is obvious someone hasn't been around our community long enough to realize we are too smart to be deceived.

Not touching the other points...I encourage folks to do their own research.
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