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Old 09-15-2010, 02:07 PM   #41
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Re: Workouts with unknown parameters?

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I don't care what they program for the Games and I'm not in charge of Crossfit. If I was the first thing I'd do is declare the Games to be no more.
I think that if you were in charge, that would be the inevitable destiny for the Games anyhow.




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Old 09-15-2010, 02:38 PM   #42
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Re: Workouts with unknown parameters?

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Old 09-15-2010, 05:56 PM   #43
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What if the strategy of both is to stay a step or two ahead?
Oh, I assumed that. The strategy is still the same: since the race can end at any time, you need to *always* be in the lead. But since the race could be quite long, you need to go as slowly as possible, consistent with maintaining the lead. For any non-sprint distance, I would expect the competitors to cross the line at about the same time, at a near walking pace. The endurance specialists couldn't risk pacing themselves, and would have to attempt to keep up with the sprinters.

The strategy changes significantly if you get some kind of indicator before the ultimate end. Then you can risk conserving energy in order to give yourself a finishing kick.

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Old 09-15-2010, 06:52 PM   #44
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Pop quiz hot shots: The event is a 10K Run. The catch is that it is scored in its respective increments as a 40 yd dash, 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, 1600m, 5k, and of course 10k. So 8 events total in one go. How does one place the highest in the sum of the events?

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Run as fast as you can and don't get tired?

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Old 09-15-2010, 06:53 PM   #45
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Pop quiz hot shots: The event is a 10K Run. The catch is that it is scored in its respective increments as a 40 yd dash, 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, 1600m, 5k, and of course 10k. So 8 events total in one go. How does one place the highest in the sum of the events?

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This is actually an interesting test. Instead of summing the individual 8 events, however, assign a place-finish for each event, thus forcing athletes to really run hard at the start and try to hang on. Such a test would be very difficult to pace and still come out on top.
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Old 09-15-2010, 07:52 PM   #46
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Pop quiz hot shots: The event is a 10K Run. The catch is that it is scored in its respective increments as a 40 yd dash, 100m, 200m, 400m, 800m, 1600m, 5k, and of course 10k. So 8 events total in one go. How does one place the highest in the sum of the events?

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In this race the advantage goes to the sprinter IMO. If you can pull out ahead and place top in the 40, 100, 200 and 400, that's huge points for a short maximal effort sprint, and you wouldn't need the "points" from winning in the longer distances. If you placed high enough in those first 4 events you could hypothetically walk the rest of the race, come in dead last time wise, yet still win the overall, or at least tie if there is a comparable competitor in the 800, 1600, 5000 and 10000 components.
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:32 PM   #47
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How about if the event wasn't scored by who finished first, but by who was ahead for a larger portion of the event?
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:30 AM   #48
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Re: Workouts with unknown parameters?

You could also run multiple races concurrently. PIck several distances betweent the start the finish, (lets say 10 k) and you get ranked on your place as you cross each line.

I think Robert is trying to eliminate pacing and strategy and basically make every one run like Pre.
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:32 AM   #49
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Oh, I assumed that. The strategy is still the same: since the race can end at any time, you need to *always* be in the lead. But since the race could be quite long, you need to go as slowly as possible, consistent with maintaining the lead. For any non-sprint distance, I would expect the competitors to cross the line at about the same time, at a near walking pace. The endurance specialists couldn't risk pacing themselves, and would have to attempt to keep up with the sprinters.

The strategy changes significantly if you get some kind of indicator before the ultimate end. Then you can risk conserving energy in order to give yourself a finishing kick.

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I was trying to make a subtle point. If the strategy of both is to stay slightly ahead each would go faster and faster trying to gain that position. It would result in both competitors eventually sprinting becoming a competition of who was faster and possibly who could hold a sprint the longest. And I've already stated how that is a test of trig not fitness.

Alternativly, the competitors could attempt to time the steps to lunge forward between each step and just hope that the race ends on their turn to lunge forward.

Either choice is a silly race.

A 400 meter bell could make for an interesting race. How far ahead can you let someone get and still reel them in within 400 meters? How hard can you dig after getting a lead to finish the last 400meters? The race still doesn't fit for the games - at least if they are going to make it tv friendly which i think is the ultimate goal - but could make for an interesting test. *

Like I said earlier, this just seems like "crossfit rah-rah" of "who can give 110%" which I think is BS. Every race outside of 100 or 200 meters has a strategy. This idea takes the 100m mentality and says "oh by the way, it may be a marathon rather than 100m." It is silly.

* it is not tv friendly (live anyway, which again i think is the ultimate goal) because you could probably figure it out. You know they are going to have to take a tv break in about 10 minutes so the distance has to neatly fit into that. Sure it could be anything in that window but you could still game it pretty well.
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Old 09-16-2010, 09:07 AM   #50
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I personally like the idea myself.

You could probably deduce that it won't be a sprint, and it's not going to be a marathon.

Seems to work fine for the "Best Ranger" competition.

Also, shoot the hostage.

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