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Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Power
Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength and Power Training
After reviewing ME Black Box for the umpteenth time I wanted to discuss some of the possibilities behind programming a Black Box routine. If you haven't yet read the article, I highly encourage you to. I'm not going to lay out the entire model so you'll need to read it if you care to follow along. It can be found, in its' entirity, here (WFS): http://www.performancemenu.com/zen/i...products_id=61 In his article, Max Effort Black Box, Micheal Rutherford offers a basic template of repsXsets: 1st Cycle: 5-5-5-3-3-3 2nd Cycle: 3-3-3-1-1-1 3rd Cycle and Up: Repeat Cycle 2 or use "The Prilepin Chart." The Prilepin Chart %1RM.............Reps per Set.........Optimal Reps..........Rep Range 55-65.................. 3-6.................... 24 .................. 18-30 70-75.................. 3-6.....................18 .................. 12-24 80-85 ................. 2-4 ....................15....................10-20 90+ .................... 1-2 .................... 7 ................... 4-10 Basically what The 'P' Chart details is that to get a positive training effect (ie. 1RM increase) for power (weight/time, or speed) there are optimal ranges of intensity (% of 1RM) to volume (setsXreps) that should be employed. You can read more about The 'P' Chart here (wfs): http://elitefts.com/documents/prilepins_chart.htm For example a bar loaded at 90-100% of 1RM can be lifted for maximal speed, optimally, at 7 total repititions of 1-2 reps/set (ie. 1-1-1-1-1-1-1) and a bar loaded at 55-65% of 1RM can be lifted at maximal speed, optimally, at 24 total repititions of 3-6 reps/set (ie. 4-4-4-4-4-4) without form breaking down. This was based on experiments done by Russian sports scientists on their Olympic Weightlifters, and since speed isn't usually a consideration for "The Slow Lifts" (Squat, Press, Bench Press, Shoulder Press, and Deadlift), for the moment we'll restrict their findings to the Olympic lifts and their variants (Clean, Snatch, Jerk, Push Press, Power Movements), or Dynamic Efforts (DE). According to Dave Tate, “Dynamic effort is defined as lifting a non-maximal load with the greatest speed possible.” So, if you've already tested your 1RM, one possibility for organizing your Black Box for Oly lifts (ala Micheal Rutherford's) could be: 1st cycle: 55-65% or 70-75%/1RM: 5-5-5-3-3-3 (24 Reps) 2nd cycle: 80-85%/1RM: 3-3-3-1-1-1 (12 Reps) 3rd cycle: 90+%/1RM: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1 (4-10 Reps, Ramping to new PR) 4th Cycle and Up: ??? Using this template you can anticipate hitting your PR's in the 3rd cycle. Now let's talk about the "Slow Lifts" and Max Effort (ME). For ME you would use whatever percentage allows you to perform the movement at a steady pace at high intensity (80+%). Here are two charts that detail ranges of intensity to volume for ME. From Mel Siff's, Supertraining (WFS): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attach...0&d=1160859106 From Mark Rippetoe's, Starting Strength (WFS): http://www.****************.com/files/sample200.pdf For strength training, both models advocate working in the 80-100% intensity threshold at 1-5 repititions per set. There's a great volume of info you could use here to program the ME (and/or DE) portion of your regimen. I recommend not overthinking this and doing 3-5 Sets in the 5 rep range, and leaving it to the Crossfit Total for testing new 1 rep maxes. But can you use DE with the Slow Lifts? Yes! A popular way of doing this is to go slow on the eccentric portion of the movement (the "down" part) and explode under the bar on the concentric portion (the "up" part). Here's one possibility of incorporating DE into the Slow Lifts based on Mark Rippetoe's "Texas Method": 1st cycle: 80%/1RM: 5-5-5-5-5 (Volume) 2nd cycle: 65%/1RM: 3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3 (DE, Speed) 3rd cycle: 90-95%/1RM: 3-3-3, + 100+%/1RM: 1-1-1 (ME, Intensity) Now this periodization scheme would work very well for an Intermediate/Advanced lifter, but for the Novice/Beginner I would strictly stick with the 3x5 or 5x5 rep schemes for strength training since you'll be getting plenty of DE work with the Oly lifts. To summarize, different training principles are implemented for Oly lifts vs. Slow lifts and you should incorporate both into your Black Box. Now go get strong! |
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Excellent post. One question, though - the Prilepin chart you have quoted here differs from the one posted at http://elitefts.com/documents/prilepins_chart.htm (wfs). Which one has the correct numbers, or is it a range?
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Tim;
You are obviously drinking some serious good quality coffee. Great post, though I'll have to print and study!! Off thread, while I'm still planning on coming down your way next Saturday, it'd be very convenient to pick up those bumpers that Matt is working on. Any chance you could see if Jim is at the Y next weekend(11/10) say around 10:30 ish. Have a great Saturday |
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Peter, the one linked differs slightly in the 90% range, and I'm not certain exactly why the elitefts table is as it is. I will say that most tables I have found reflect the one I posted above and that the ME Blackbox article specifically cites that same 90% range.
My guess is that the one from elitefts refers to the upper threshold of the 90% range. |
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Tim, thanks for the additional information. Your interpretation of the table differences makes sense.
I will say one more thing - when I read your post, I thought "Jeez, that would have been a good CFJ article, but instead we get it all for free." It's a really good look at ME/DE within a crossfit program. I've been reading about DE for a while now, and thinking about how I can incorporate it. As a fighter, I need to do lots of power exercises as well as strength...so I like the idea of using my "ME" lifts for "DE" work to both work as power exercises and improve my ability to do ME work. Seems to be win/win, but how exactly to fit it in eluded me so far...your post gave me a lot to work with. |
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There's literally infinite variations that could be applied to a Black Box template from what's offered here, so definately let us know what works and what doesn't. Good luck! |
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Nice work, Tim. I've become horrendously weak and will start a new BB program soon. I'll report back.
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Tim, at the moment I'm getting ready for a fight, so I'm not doing the ME-style routine I was doing before (4 WODs + a ME full-body strength day a week). I'm doing just metcons and power exercises and lots of MMA training. But after my fight I want to try doing two strength days a week. A ME day and a DE day using your layout seems like it could be a good way to go.
When it gets closer to the time to work it out, I'll write up what I'm planning and post it. |
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Re: Dynamic Effort, Max Effort, Volume and Constructing a Black Box for Strength & Po
Thanks Tim for some great reading. I am quite new to CF and am continually looking for information to read, apply, learn to improve all facets of my life. It'll take a while to digest it all~
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Jes' my 2 cents, but I really think that is something you've done there. |
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