Crossfit and Bodybuilding?

Nick Martinez · 04-13-2003, 10:20 AM

Hey everyone,

I've been doing the crossfit workouts for about 6 months and have gotten great results. My problem now is that I am training at a pro wrestling school, and getting bigger (ie bodybuilding) is the order of the day. Twice a week as part of the school curriculum we do crossfit type workouts anyway, but could anyone suggest a marriage of the two systems that could allow to achieve my goals while getting adequate rest?

Nick

Robert Wolf · 04-13-2003, 11:16 AM

Hey Nick!

coach has montioned elsewhere that the Crossfit method will yeild superior results for BB if one is drug free and only marginally less if one is on drugs ( we are talking sheer size here). It may be tough for your workout partners to grasp but doing exclusively a crossfit regemine WILL produce incredible results. Diet and crossfit will bring the mass AND performance.
Welcome and good luck!
Robb

Nick Martinez · 04-13-2003, 02:17 PM

Hi again,

Thanks for the quick reply. I'll try to go strictly Crossfit and see what happens. My only concern is that there are no arm exercises in the crossfit workouts, and while I realize that they are not needed for our type of fitness, I do }need the size and definition that comes with these types of movements.
Thanks
Nick

Robert Wolf · 04-13-2003, 10:48 PM

Considerr the development of most gymnasts...that is what I have experienced from crossfit...it should be plenty!
Robb

Coach · 04-14-2003, 04:34 AM

Without illegal exogenous hormonal therapy (steroids) the biggest arms come from pull-ups and dips. Curls and tricep extensions don't deliver the goods without the sauce.

Nick, get your pull-ups to 40+ and your dips to 55+ and you will approach the genetic limits to your arm's natural-capacity for mass.

P.S. Nick, I would be tickled to hear about your school and how they are using CrossFit - greg@crossfit.com

Coach

Roger Harrell · 04-14-2003, 09:52 AM

Coach, question for you on pull ups and dips. In your experience is it common for someone to have significantly stronger dips than pull ups, or vice versa? Eg. for whatever reason I seem to be genetically inclined towards dip/handstand strength. My max dips (both weight and numbers) at my peak (I'm getting back there) were pretty insane, but my max pull ups never reached the same levels relatively. Also in the same vein I had an inverted cross on rings well before I could do a standard iron cross. (same muscles really).

Robert Wolf · 04-14-2003, 10:42 AM

Roger- I have always been MUCH stronger on pull-up vs pressing movements.
Robb

Nick Martinez · 04-14-2003, 11:07 AM

Speaking on pull-ups, From the time I started going to the gym in the 9th grade to the present, my pull-ups have ALWAYS been poor. I know that the way to get your pull-up reps to increase is to "do more pull-ups" but are there any techniques out there? One I've heard about (but, ofcourse, not acted upon) was to do 3 sets of max pull-ups every day, with each set being spread apart by about 4 hours. Anything else? I'm a little skeptical about using the pullup/dip machine that provides weight assistance (the name of this machine escapes me right now) as it only delays the inevitable-doing pull-ups at your body weight.

Nick

Robert Wolf · 04-14-2003, 12:29 PM

Nick-
Look a few days back at the link provided w/the WOD...there are two great rescources there.
Robb

David Wood · 04-14-2003, 01:13 PM

I think discrepancies in pulling / pushing strength are pretty common.

I've always been able to do a decent number of BW dips . . . even when I couldn't do a single pull up.

I can now do 10-12 pullups (thanks to CrossFit), but my dips are up in the mid-20s range, maybe more, if I was motivated enough.

(Interestingly enough, I still can't bench a very big 1RM, though.)

Dave

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04-13-2003, 10:20 AM	#1
Nick Martinez Member Profile: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto ON Posts: 71	Hey everyone, I've been doing the crossfit workouts for about 6 months and have gotten great results. My problem now is that I am training at a pro wrestling school, and getting bigger (ie bodybuilding) is the order of the day. Twice a week as part of the school curriculum we do crossfit type workouts anyway, but could anyone suggest a marriage of the two systems that could allow to achieve my goals while getting adequate rest? Nick

04-13-2003, 11:16 AM	#2
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	Hey Nick! coach has montioned elsewhere that the Crossfit method will yeild superior results for BB if one is drug free and only marginally less if one is on drugs ( we are talking sheer size here). It may be tough for your workout partners to grasp but doing exclusively a crossfit regemine WILL produce incredible results. Diet and crossfit will bring the mass AND performance. Welcome and good luck! Robb

04-13-2003, 02:17 PM	#3
Nick Martinez Member Profile: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto ON Posts: 71	Hi again, Thanks for the quick reply. I'll try to go strictly Crossfit and see what happens. My only concern is that there are no arm exercises in the crossfit workouts, and while I realize that they are not needed for our type of fitness, I do }need the size and definition that comes with these types of movements. Thanks Nick

04-13-2003, 10:48 PM	#4
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	Considerr the development of most gymnasts...that is what I have experienced from crossfit...it should be plenty! Robb

04-14-2003, 04:34 AM	#5
Coach Founding Father Profile: Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 391	Without illegal exogenous hormonal therapy (steroids) the biggest arms come from pull-ups and dips. Curls and tricep extensions don't deliver the goods without the sauce. Nick, get your pull-ups to 40+ and your dips to 55+ and you will approach the genetic limits to your arm's natural-capacity for mass. P.S. Nick, I would be tickled to hear about your school and how they are using CrossFit - greg@crossfit.com Coach

04-14-2003, 09:52 AM	#6
Roger Harrell Affiliate Profile: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: San Rafael CA Posts: 2,318	Coach, question for you on pull ups and dips. In your experience is it common for someone to have significantly stronger dips than pull ups, or vice versa? Eg. for whatever reason I seem to be genetically inclined towards dip/handstand strength. My max dips (both weight and numbers) at my peak (I'm getting back there) were pretty insane, but my max pull ups never reached the same levels relatively. Also in the same vein I had an inverted cross on rings well before I could do a standard iron cross. (same muscles really).

04-14-2003, 10:42 AM	#7
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	Roger- I have always been MUCH stronger on pull-up vs pressing movements. Robb

04-14-2003, 11:07 AM	#8
Nick Martinez Member Profile: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto ON Posts: 71	Speaking on pull-ups, From the time I started going to the gym in the 9th grade to the present, my pull-ups have ALWAYS been poor. I know that the way to get your pull-up reps to increase is to "do more pull-ups" but are there any techniques out there? One I've heard about (but, ofcourse, not acted upon) was to do 3 sets of max pull-ups every day, with each set being spread apart by about 4 hours. Anything else? I'm a little skeptical about using the pullup/dip machine that provides weight assistance (the name of this machine escapes me right now) as it only delays the inevitable-doing pull-ups at your body weight. Nick

04-14-2003, 12:29 PM	#9
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	Nick- Look a few days back at the link provided w/the WOD...there are two great rescources there. Robb

04-14-2003, 01:13 PM	#10
David Wood Departed Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,303	I think discrepancies in pulling / pushing strength are pretty common. I've always been able to do a decent number of BW dips . . . even when I couldn't do a single pull up. I can now do 10-12 pullups (thanks to CrossFit), but my dips are up in the mid-20s range, maybe more, if I was motivated enough. (Interestingly enough, I still can't bench a very big 1RM, though.) Dave