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Old 07-09-2008, 08:05 PM   #1
Kevin Croke
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Overtraining Syndrom

Hi. Im looking for some advice of those of you who have fallen victem to overtraining syndrome out there. Im a competitive MMA fighter who has upped his work output by a considerable amount this year to about 12 hours training per week. I fought in late May (where i felt fine during and the period leading upto this) and after coming back from a 1 week break found myself completly exausted.

Ive since taken one month off and am still suffering from disturbed sleep, thirst, fatigue, and dizzyness. I have had full blood tests done and they have come back clear. Im almost 100% on that i simply have overtrained and need rest to get back.

Could those of you that have experience with overtraining syndrome post how long you were out for and what are the best ways to speed your recovery.

P.S.My diet (paleo) and rest (8 hours sleep a night) ive always been conscious about and i dont think they are issues.

Thanks chaps!
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:18 PM   #2
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Re: Overtraining Syndrom

I'm kind of confused at how you'd still have problems after a month off where you were resting and would still have overtraining issues. 12 hours a week really isn't that much (yes I understand BJJ and MMA is a very intense training regime).

When I was a high school distance runner it was 70-100 miles of distance running a week, and then sprints and hills on top of that. Hockey was roughly 14-20 hours a week (before games) during that season.

Diet "paleo" doesn't really say much other than food choices. Is it dialed in as much as you think? 8 hours of sleep is kind of an arbitrary number, perhaps you need more!

Are there other stresses in your life that could cause you anxiety? I know living on freaking hot dogs and Ramen noodles in college took its toll on my rest habits during my second year of college. I couldn't sleep very well when I started my training here in Texas, has taken almost 2 months to get on a regular sleep schedule. Psychological factors can and do affect people's ability to rest as well.

Just food for thought.
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:30 PM   #3
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Re: Overtraining Syndrom

based on your background and your previous training i am pretty sure its not overtraining.

I am going to have to agree with what George is saying -- you are not giving us enough information.

Your description of the problem/symptoms is extremely vivid:

"I've since taken one month off and am still suffering from disturbed sleep, thirst, fatigue, and dizzyness."

Yet, you're description of possible causes is very vague.

Here are some things we need to know..
1) 12 hours of training - what does this entail?
2) Diet = Paleo - how much are you eating?
3) Fought in Late may - Any head trauma?
4) Any history of hormonal problems in your family, immediate or extended?
5) What does "normal blood work" actually entail?
6) What did your doctor say, specifically, about the blood work?

They should have provided you with some paperwork on what was done. If not, you have every right to request it.

Could be anything from brain injury to poor diet.

Why didn't you ask your doctor, by the way? Aren't you required to be in close contact with them as an MMA fighter?

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Old 07-10-2008, 12:12 AM   #4
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Re: Overtraining Syndrom

Thanks guys

To answer a few of your questions.

1)There was no major truama during the fight. Barely a punch thrown in fact!
2) Im not fully sure on what the bloods tested. But blood sugar, iron, and glandular fever were in there. The test did show up raised white blood cell count.
3) 2 hours of training would generally consist of, a crossfit style workout (fran, hill sprints, 5k run, fight gone bad etc) 30 mins grappling, 15 mins bag work, 30 mins wrestling and maybe 30 mins MMA sparing. That could all be different on any given day though.
4) No history of hormone issues in the familly.
5) Diet was pretty spot on i thought. Would consist of;

meal 1)porridge and bananna, 100g of macadamia's, 1 piece of fruit, 2 eggs
meal 2) fillet of chicken, 2 portions of veg, 1 piece of fruit,
meal 3) fillet of red meat (beef, kangaroo), 1 portion of veg, 2 eggs (2hours before training)
meal 4) fillet of salmon, 2 portion of veg (after training)

Veg would be diverse. Drink about 4-5 litres of water a day, 2 cups of coffee.

6) Docter was as miffed as i am about my fatigue!

The one thing i forgot to mention which is prob important was that during the 5 week run up to my fight i was training with some sort of viral infection, a very persistent cough.
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Old 07-10-2008, 06:45 AM   #5
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Re: Overtraining Syndrom

Diet needs more fat.

Based on what you've stated as your workout regime I highly doubt its overtraining. Did you hit your head lately? Have you gotten a CT scan to confirm its not something in your head? A month of rest and feeling like crap (especially dizziness) could be anything from a parasite to a concussion that hasn't fully healed.

Only time I've ever had a significant raised white blood cell count was when I had appendicitis. Doctors tend to go down paths they want to go down, rather than need to go down sadly enough. If they don't find the answer down their path, they tend to give up. I know it costs money, but other avenues might be good to travel down.

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Old 07-10-2008, 03:49 PM   #6
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Re: Overtraining Syndrom

Hi George

Yea im going to head to a sports physician who specialises in fatigue. Might help to shed more light.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:33 AM   #7
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High white blood cell count = chronic infection of some kind.
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