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Old 06-28-2010, 07:22 AM   #11
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Re: Little advice?

LOL at everyone who keeps trying to tell this guy to put on bodyweight after he's said several times that getting leaner is more important to him at this time.
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:42 AM   #12
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LOL at everyone who keeps trying to tell this guy to put on bodyweight after he's said several times that getting leaner is more important to him at this time.
Well, what they are really saying is, "We want you to have a different goal because we think that one is stupid."
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:49 AM   #13
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Well, what they are really saying is, "We want you to have a different goal because we think that one is stupid."
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:53 AM   #14
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Re: Little advice?

Adam is spot on. Quality is tops. And Robb's podcasts are fantastic. I'm not a huge Zone fan, especially in the early development, but macronutrient proportions become more important as you progress

I think Chris's goals are in the wrong order, not stupid, per se. Getting leaner and being underweight, however, is stupid. I don't think that's what Chris is after.
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Old 06-28-2010, 07:58 AM   #15
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Getting leaner and being underweight, however, is stupid. I don't think that's what Chris is after.
6'1 and 182 lbs and wants to get leaner...
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:04 AM   #16
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I have yet to hear anyone say that they want to lean out and get WEAKER.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:08 AM   #17
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Re: Little advice?

"looking to get my BF to 10 while still gaining in strength." (emphasis added)


Both his goals are good but, again, it's hard to do both - gain strength and lean out - at the same time. Getting lean at the expense of limit strength is counterproductive to athletic progress. Now, if Chris wants to look and perform like a marathoner, fine. Do all metcon, no lifting and eat like a bird.

That's not what he said.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:09 AM   #18
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I have yet to hear anyone say that they want to lean out and get WEAKER.
And yet you see people train as if that's their goal everyday.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:24 AM   #19
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"looking to get my BF to 10 while still gaining in strength." (emphasis added)
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And yet you see people train as if that's their goal everyday.
Well, really, "looking to get my BF to 10 while losing 50 lbs on my deadlift? C'mon. Everyone is going to say that they want to get stronger. Just because your programming sucks and won't actually get you there doesn't mean it isn't your goal.

I understand his goals.
1) Leaner
2) Stronger
3) At the same time

I can't help him with that. If he's new to lifting, he'll probably keep getting stronger by accident for a little while despite any effort to the contrary.
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Old 06-28-2010, 08:41 AM   #20
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Re: Little advice?

wow, didnt mean to start a storm here you are all correct and i understand that i cant gain strength and lean up at the same time because thats nearly impossible to do. But in the past when ive eaten more calories(still lean meat and veggies) and lifted harder ive gained weight in a bad way and i just end up looking fat. But looks like consensus is to gain weight and get stronger first then try to lose the excess "fluff"
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