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Old 12-09-2005, 06:36 AM   #1
Jerry Hill
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Hey guys,
My family rocks, they always buy me toys for the Holidays!

I suggested a climbing rope, they love the idea!

I have read through the archives, here is what I figure I need:

25 foot manila rope 1.5 inch in diameter.

Here is what I am unsure of:
Loop or no Loop?

For now, this rope will not be permanent...I live in the city and will have to take it down after using it.

I figure with a loop I can toss it over a swing-set or branch and thread the end through the loop, crank it up and I'm all set.
To take it down I will need a smaller rope attached to the loop...tug on it and it will loosen, right?

Am I visualizing this correctly?

This just seems easier than tying a knot for now.

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Jerry
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Old 12-09-2005, 07:14 AM   #2
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Should work. Though you might occasionaly be forced to climb the tree/swing set if it is raining and the silly thing gets really tight.
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Old 12-09-2005, 07:59 AM   #3
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Or, for taking the rope down, if the rope is long enough and what it's hanging off of is low enough, you could just climp up the rope, wrap your legs around the bar or whatever the rope's attached to, loosen the loop, then grab ahold of the loop side of the rope with one hand and the other side with the other hand and just lower yourself down until you can jump down while still holding the loop end. Hope that made more sense to you than it did me. It's what I do when I take ropes with loops down from trees and such.
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Old 12-09-2005, 08:39 AM   #4
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Buy bulk manilla from McMaster-Carr and tie a bowline knot in one end. Its cheaper than buying one with a loop pre-done. Here's my setup: 30' rope with bowline. Tied a long piece of 550 cord to the bowline, with a 2.5# plate on the other end of the 550. Throw plate over tree branch, haul bowline over branch with 550 cord, feed free end of rope through bowline, pull tight, and climb. When I'm done, pull bowline back down with 550 and tear down. Easy, cheap, effective. Chris
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:44 AM   #5
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Chris' idea would likely be less expensive and a bowline is a secure knot, especially if backed up with a half-fisherman's knot...or you can use a climbers' figure-eight follow-through w/a backup knot, and secure the very tippy end around the main rope with a heavy zip-tie. Then use the loop made as discussed.

That is what I would do, if I had any place nearby that was over 8 ft. high to put the rope on....
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Old 12-09-2005, 12:34 PM   #6
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Thanks for the quick responses guys.

How many feet does it take to tie a bowline? I am envisioning that it would take at least 5 feet, right? Chris?

I want to keep the rope as small as possible in length and still functional. Ideally I need 15' of climbing, so a 25' rope would still be ok with a bowline right?

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Old 12-09-2005, 01:45 PM   #7
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If you're patient and careful you could put an eye splice instead of the bowline.
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Old 12-09-2005, 02:58 PM   #8
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Bowline with securing knot takes about 5-6 feet. 25' should be plenty for your purposes. Figure 8 retrace and eye-splice would work as well or better, but bowline is the only knot I remember from ranger school. Good luck, Chris
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Old 12-09-2005, 03:43 PM   #9
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"the only knot I remember from ranger school"

Hey Chris, too funny...I was thinking the same thing about my recon days.

Thanks again for the replies - I'll get the order in to my brother!

Jerry
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Old 12-09-2005, 05:13 PM   #10
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http://www.realknots.com/knots/

This one has .gif animations of the knots:

http://www.tollesburysc.co.uk/Knots/Knots_gallery.htm

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