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Old 06-02-2009, 06:00 AM   #1
Gregory White
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New Clients and Crossfit...

I find that most of my clients suck up Crossfit concepts like a cold glass of water. Most see major results quickly.

I hear a lot that Crossfit isn't for everyone. I agree that many of my clients do not push to the intensity that most Crossfitters call self inflicted punishment. However, they see results and love it.

I would say that when the client has seen noticeable results and begins to agree that intensity is where the results are, they are willing to push themselves to the next level.

I have clients from 17 yrs to 69 yrs and I apply Crossfit concepts to their programs. I use the standard that not just Crossfit, but training in general, needs to be safe for the individual. Being a Corrective Exercise Specialist through the National Academy of Sports Medicine, I believe it helps me when applying the Crossfit concepts to the individual. After proper progression, I ease my clients into Crossfit.

The only clients who do not see results from Crossfit are the ones who are not willing to work hard. When I was at my level 1 certification in San Diego, the Crossfit coaches referred to this occurance as LAZINESS. I find that description to be accurate.

In conclusion, I believe Crossfit is for everyone who has proper function (even if function is not full ROM). It is up the training professional and physical therapists to properly diagnose lack of function and try to correct it. Once corrected, Crossfit concepts and theories can make that individual fitter and healthier.

Do you disagree? (I do not want to state an absolute. I would like a discussion.)
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Old 06-02-2009, 07:59 AM   #2
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Re: New Clients and Crossfit...

So along this line...

I would expect new clients to probably not be pushing themselves to the point of nerve shaking, dizzy, nauseous agony.

How long does it typically get before new clients feel comfortable with the pain to increase their intensity ?
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Old 06-02-2009, 09:22 AM   #3
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Re: New Clients and Crossfit...

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In conclusion, I believe Crossfit is for everyone who has proper function (even if function is not full ROM). It is up the training professional and physical therapists to properly diagnose lack of function and try to correct it. Once corrected, Crossfit concepts and theories can make that individual fitter and healthier.
Sounds good to me.

Overall, good observations.

Also, do you know Brian Belinda and the Parkour guys?


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So along this line...

I would expect new clients to probably not be pushing themselves to the point of nerve shaking, dizzy, nauseous agony.

How long does it typically get before new clients feel comfortable with the pain to increase their intensity ?
That really depends on the individual.

Those who are former athletes can generally push harder faster (they were used to hard training -- and thusly have higher chances of rhabdo as well because their body is not ready but their mind is).
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Old 06-02-2009, 10:02 AM   #4
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Re: New Clients and Crossfit...

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...When I was at my level 1 certification in San Diego, the Crossfit coaches referred to this occurance as LAZINESS. I find that description to be accurate.


Do you disagree? (I do not want to state an absolute. I would like a discussion.)
I agree with the rest of your post, but I picked out the above because it strikes me as oddly mean spirited. Why would it be the case that those not willing to work hard at fitness have some personality defect like laziness?

I have a big vegetable garden in my back yard- but I let it go a little wild, I don't weed it often enough and the results of my gardening are decent but less than optimal. This is because I'm pretty busy forging an elite father, husband, athlete and software engineer, so I don't care about being an elite gardener too. But if I go to a party and talk to some master gardener who assesses me as lazy based on the lack of effort in my garden... that gardener comes off looking like a real jerk.

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Old 06-02-2009, 01:17 PM   #5
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Re: New Clients and Crossfit...

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Why would it be the case that those not willing to work hard at fitness have some personality defect like laziness?

But if I go to a party and talk to some master gardener who assesses me as lazy based on the lack of effort in my garden... that gardener comes off looking like a real jerk.

I think there is a difference in the two situations. In terms of gardening, mostly its just a time commitment. If im in my garden for and hour, and so are you, they wont end up much different. With exercise, if you are at the gym, and you arent there to sweat, then why are you there?

It is kind of a broad statement made above, but i see the point from the standpoint of "if they already made the step to go workout, then why arent they giving 100%?"

So i guess if it were to say "someone who gives 100% effort into crossfit is guaranteed to show results" then it would be correct, although it seems blatantly obvious that it would be so
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Old 06-02-2009, 04:12 PM   #6
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I think there is a difference in the two situations. In terms of gardening, mostly its just a time commitment. If im in my garden for and hour, and so are you, they wont end up much different.
I'm not so sure of that, it may be that a master gardener can do better than me in only 15 minutes. For all I know my efforts are the gardening equivalent of the bicep curl.

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With exercise, if you are at the gym, and you arent there to sweat, then why are you there?

It is kind of a broad statement made above, but i see the point from the standpoint of "if they already made the step to go workout, then why arent they giving 100%?"
Maybe because they think that they can give 75% of the effort and get 50% of the results (which is still 100% more than they get from a fitness magazine)- and that's enough for them. I'm not endorsing this as a way to go about an exercise program but it doesn't seem to rise to the level of character flaw.

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So i guess if it were to say "someone who gives 100% effort into crossfit is guaranteed to show results" then it would be correct, although it seems blatantly obvious that it would be so
I agree.

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Old 06-02-2009, 04:53 PM   #7
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Re: New Clients and Crossfit...

I don't know if it's laziness. I find that some of my newer clients that are a little more deconditioned, just take a bit longer to develop their willingness to suffer. Once they get a taste of success it takes right off. (could be as simple as doing something they thought was impossible, redoing their very first WOD and crushing the time while using less assistance... that kind of thing)

It's all about pushing the limit, some people take a longer to find their true limit then others.
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Old 06-02-2009, 05:12 PM   #8
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I agree with the rest of your post, but I picked out the above because it strikes me as oddly mean spirited. Why would it be the case that those not willing to work hard at fitness have some personality defect like laziness?

I have a big vegetable garden in my back yard- but I let it go a little wild, I don't weed it often enough and the results of my gardening are decent but less than optimal. This is because I'm pretty busy forging an elite father, husband, athlete and software engineer, so I don't care about being an elite gardener too. But if I go to a party and talk to some master gardener who assesses me as lazy based on the lack of effort in my garden... that gardener comes off looking like a real jerk.
There is a difference between what you describe (not wanting to push to the absolute limit of your body every workout in an effort to become "elite"), and what he is describing (not being willing to push at all).

Effort is a continuum, and the vast majority of people, including CF'ers, aren't near the 100% mark. but anyone who's putting in reasonable effort will have reasonable results. Some people simply refuse to put in even moderate effort, and then complain of their lack of results. This is laziness. he's not being mean, he's stating fact. He also noted that only a handful of clients have fallen into this category.
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Old 06-02-2009, 05:14 PM   #9
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I don't know if it's laziness. I find that some of my newer clients that are a little more deconditioned, just take a bit longer to develop their willingness to suffer. Once they get a taste of success it takes right off. (could be as simple as doing something they thought was impossible, redoing their very first WOD and crushing the time while using less assistance... that kind of thing)

It's all about pushing the limit, some people take a longer to find their true limit then others.
you're quite right, and I'd say those people are not lazy at all, they just haven't realized yet what's required. I had many clients like that, and they all worked harder when they started to see results and understand the mentality.
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Old 06-02-2009, 11:41 PM   #10
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Re: New Clients and Crossfit...

Yeah, wanting something, without working for it, is lazy.

There are plenty of fat, unfit people out there who are definitely not lazy. But if those people show up for a workout, then don't put in any effort, then they have Fitness Specific Laziness (FSL).
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