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Old 02-11-2008, 08:37 AM   #1
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Striking Hard Surfaces?

I have heard that hitting harder surfaces, such as the wooden dummy in kung fu, causes your bones to be more dense and strengthens them. Is there any truth to this or would it be a bad idea to add punching and kicking hard things to a training routine?
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Old 02-11-2008, 09:20 AM   #2
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

It does increase bone density. However you must train slowly and carefully and have the right dit da jow to use afterwards or serious injury can result.

Unless you have a specific need to train this way I would stay away from it. It is very painful and is not worth it.

Your hands will get just as strong & thick & dense lifting kettlebells, barbells, clubbells etc.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:13 PM   #3
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

You could try board and brick breaking. Though it is commonly laughed at today by most mma practitioners and enthusiasts, breaking is a great conditioning tool.

I think it was even covered in a scientific manner on discovery channel or something.
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Old 02-12-2008, 02:44 PM   #4
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

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I have heard that hitting harder surfaces, such as the wooden dummy in kung fu, causes your bones to be more dense and strengthens them. Is there any truth to this or would it be a bad idea to add punching and kicking hard things to a training routine?
Iy also aids in the devlopment of calluses on the areas that are doing the striking. Very useful in the real world. You have to train very slowly though.
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Old 02-13-2008, 01:45 PM   #5
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

It is very important to train slowly with hard surfaces. Start with something soft, like not using gloves on a punching bag. When that gets easy, move on to redwood trees (or other trees with soft bark). After that, GENTLY try wood, maybe concrete if you're badass. The point is to toughen bone, and skin, not ruin joints or soft tissue.
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:24 AM   #6
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

Research some of the traditional Asian and Western hand conditioning methods.

I've tried several and settled on Makiwara, sandbag, and stone striking.
To second Dave, a good Jow is a must.
I can't explain the pharmacology, but a good jow really helps prevent bruising and promotes healing.

Also if your under 18 I would hold off on any bone conditioning until at least then.

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Old 05-19-2008, 03:02 PM   #7
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

Am I right in thinking that working a heavy bag will strengthen the fists considerably?

I used to strike a heavy bag without padding a lot when I trained in Kickboxing and to this day I can strike hard surfaces without pain.
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Old 05-19-2008, 08:43 PM   #8
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

Having undertaken various hand conditioning methods over the last 15yrs or so, I can vouch that taking it slowly is the way to go and having a good tonic (jow) is also a must for recuperation.

My recommendation is to start on softer surfaces and then gradually (over a couple of years work your way up to harder surfaces.

Personally I use a small bag filled with coarse sand (60%) and small river pebbles (40%), and have found the results to be good, although my training partners don't necessarily agree ().

IMHO developing calluses is not necessary for developing strong effective strikes.

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Old 05-21-2008, 07:37 AM   #9
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

it is somewhat true however just doing rounds on the heavy bag accomplishes the same thing just slower and much safer!!
and so worth the extra time no doubt
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Re: Striking Hard Surfaces?

Heavy bag work is great for working bones and joints. So are clapping push ups. Really, anything with impact, even punching a pillow, will do something.
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