ANOTHER POLL- power clean ratio/deadlift

[Troy Becker]

So, what's your power clean/deadlift ratio?

Mine is 0.58

[Sean J Hunter]

0.54 - but I carry a glute injury so my ratio should probably be 0.5

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[Leslie Powell]

PC = 52.6% of deadlift

[Leslie Powell]

For the little it's worth, Rippetoe's much maligned strength standards would have an intermediate 181lbs. male with a 315lbs. DL and a 194lbs. PC, working out to 61.58%. Picked 181lbs. male as that's the closest to the assumed "typical" crossfitter.

[Kevin Simons]

I haven't done max power cleans before, but my Squat Clean to DL ratio is 0.59. My DL has probably gone up since I last tested it though, so the ratio is likely a bit lower. And power cleans would make it lower still.

[Jeff Stanek]

65%, but I'm nursing back from a lower back injury. ~205 clean, ~300 DL.

[James Napier]

pc 202 (bwt) / dl 325 = 62%
If I dl more often, will pc increase or would dl increase by working pc?
Just in case, I'll work both.

[Nic Kirkland]

Originally Posted by James Napier

pc 202 (bwt) / dl 325 = 62%
If I dl more often, will pc increase or would dl increase by working pc?
Just in case, I'll work both.

Strengthening your DL will transfer to your PC more than strengthening your PC will translate to your DL. Reason being that your PC is limited more by your technique, hence your weight will be significantly lower than your DL and any work done on PC will have less of an impact on your raw DL strength.

[Kevin Simons]

Originally Posted by Nic Kirkland

Strengthening your DL will transfer to your PC more than strengthening your PC will translate to your DL. Reason being that your PC is limited more by your technique, hence your weight will be significantly lower than your DL and any work done on PC will have less of an impact on your raw DL strength.

Not according to Rip. He actually says the exact opposite.

"If weights are lifted at a slow speed, the lifter gets good at lifting them at that slow speed... So slow deadlift training will not make the clean move faster...High speed training with enough weight to make high power production necessary makes for usable strength at a wide range of speeds.."

That is why Westside uses dynamic (speed) days with only 50-75% of their 1RMs to increase their slow lifts.

[Kevin Simons]

Okay, after rereading the section in SS, there is definitely more to the equation than what I just posted. The two definitely do contribute to each other. It should be obvious, using Rip's example, that a man with a 500lb deadlift is going to clean more than the man with a 200lb deadlift. Deads develop isometric and concentric strength needed to maintain a rigid back in the pull, increases motor unit recruitment, and disinhibits the nervous system against heavier weights. They just don't make the clean a lot faster, but cleaning will certainly make a deadlift more powerful.