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Here is what Wendler said
I finally got some questions off to Wendler. I italicized the questions I sent them. The only thing that was changed or omitted was the cursing.
1. To what degree do metcons replace assistance exercises? If you had a trainee and after finishing the main lift, would you have them do the assistance lifts (could be Triumvirate, big but boring, etc) and do a Crossfit type workout on a separate day or have them do 10-20 minutes of conditioning work after the main lift? JW: Maybe have them do one assistance lift (supplemental lift) and then do the accessory work as part of the circuit (not sure why anyone would call it Met con…it’s a circuit!). Combine the assistance work FOR THAT SPECIFIC DAY with some type of conditioning work (can be something like jump rope, Prowler, sprints, treadmill, Air Dyne, etc) that does not interfere with recovery for the rest of the training week. TRAINING is not myopic – you must look down the road and periodize. All lifting and conditioning work must be done to the abilities and goals of the individual. 2. Do you see it feasible as using the assistance work as a metcon? Example-on the Boring but Big running through the 5x10 as fast as possible while maintaining good form? If they were to do this, would you tweak it so that it were burpee pull ups and push presses (as an example)? JW: You could – but go ahead and do 5x10 with squats at 50% with 60 seconds rest and tell me how the burpees feel! 3. Squat day question- Squat, followed by metcon that involves dumbell lunges or similar? 2) Squat, do a metcon that doesn't involve too much squatting, then do assistance exercises? 3) Squat, do assistance exercises, then do a metcon? 4) Something else entirely? JW: Have no idea what you are asking on this one – clear this one up for me. 4. Lastly, if you were to draw up a rough sketch template, what would it and what would it not look like Ex: training more than X amount of days in a row. How many conditioning/GPP days would you have in addition to the 3 days of basic lifts? Etc etc JW: For me? For who? What level lifter? There is a lot to consider here: for example: Squat – 5/3/1 (630 training max) Circuit: Squat – 5 sets of 10 reps at 315 Leg Curl – 5 sets of 20 reps Prowler Push – 5 sets of 80 yards x 250lbs. Bench – 5/3/1 (405 training max) Dips – 5 sets of 10 reps with 100 lbs. Chins – 5 sets of 5 reps with 45lbs., hanging on to rope Pushups –5 sets of bodyweight x 20 Treadmill Sprints – 5 sets of 30 seconds, 8-9mph, 15 degreee incline. These are typical of what I have done in the past. Training days have to be done so that you are training OPTIMALLY not MAXIMALLY. This is something that seems to have been lost on most people. This is an art, not a science. So you have to be willing to work within yourself and paint YOUR PICTURE. YOUR TRAINING. What I did above greatly varies than what I do with the beginner lifters (not lifters that have to peak for a meet!! Ha!) do when they come here and they begin training. How many days you train and what you do within those days are all dependant on what phase of training you are in – strength, conditioning, transition, North of Vag, etc. if someone just says “Do this template” that’s stupid – you have to know where it fits into the entire year long training program. I like simple training man..but telling a football player, or military guy to do the same stuff as a housewife or beginner is retarded. Especially with NO PLAN. OR GOAL. And the funny thing is this – if mobility is good, STRENGTH RAISES ALL LEVELS. I learned this when I was 13 years old. 13. It baffles me that experts and internet message heroes have yet to grasp a concept that a newly turned teenager grasped long before the age of misinformation. That is all man…gotta go feed the family. |
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Re: Here is what Wendler said
If there are anymore questions, let me know. I'll get them fired off to him early next week. I did my best to go through the previous thread I started to base the questions.
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I think its funny thats Wendlers advice for mixing 5/3/1 and crossfit is basically just do 5/3/1 north of vag and that crossfit as commonly practiced is ultimately not effective. At least thats the message I get from the need for long term periodization, and planning and the focus on individualized goals. It will be interesting to how long the EFTS/westside crossfit partnership lasts considering these are basically the same criticisms, that seem to have been behind previous splinters with guys like rippetoe, dan john and greg everett. As awesome as some of the stuff CF puts out is my experience would indicate the have a point.
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I think is all covered pretty well by the book, no need to bug the man unless you're getting stuck and can't figure out why. The whole point of the 5/3/1 is "hey, this stuff works, now make it work for you."
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This is correct. In fact on his Boring but Big template, he calls for 5x10 on back squats at 50-55%. I know this isn't high rep to some but it is to me.
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We hadn't ever discussed Crossfit together. So I was also curious to see what he'd say. I had a pretty good idea, but I hate assuming and being wrong. |
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M: Back Squat 3x5, Pulling WOD T: Rest W: Press 3x5, Squatting WOD, no DL-like lifts though R: Rest F: Deadlift 3x5, Pressing WOD S: Rest S: Anything but Squats WOD, but be smart M: Rest T: Rest W: Back Squat 3x3, Pulling WOD etc. Again, Wendler sees CF stuff as secondary, so if your priorities are the same then by all means do exactly what he says in his book. If you want to split top priority between strength and CF, then you're going to have to modify slightly. Edit: Third option is to cycle priorities after each meso cycle, doing 5/3/1 by the book for 5 weeks (or 2x5 weeks), then switching to what I was saying where improving WODs gets more priority (although they are still done after strength work). |
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