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Old 10-23-2009, 06:31 AM   #1
Louis Andre Pardo
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Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

The term Firebreather is thrown around quite a bit and being that this is CrossFit and we like to be able to meassure and quantify things I figure we should do the same with the definition of Firebreather!

So, I am starting a list of benchmarks with minimum scores/times that would qualify someone as a Firebreather. Please copy/paste and add and amend as you see fit. I am not familiar with women's standards so other can fill in. Remember these are minimum requirements.

WOD score-male/score-female
CINDY 28 /
HELEN 7:59 /
FRAN 4:29 /
ELIZABETH 8:59 /
5k RUN 17:59 /
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:00 AM   #2
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

Go to competition and do well
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:02 AM   #3
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

Being able to do all wod's Rx'ed. Anyone who can do that will usually be able to do most of them pretty fast.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:02 AM   #4
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define "well"...this is CrossFit- we like measurable...how do you measure that?
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:07 AM   #5
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

Those numbers seem a bit off to me.

If someone had a sub 8 helen I would assume a sub 3 fran. Sub 8 helen is nuts and 4:30 fran, well a bunch of people can do that.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:13 AM   #6
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Those numbers seem a bit off to me.

If someone had a sub 8 helen I would assume a sub 3 fran. Sub 8 helen is nuts and 4:30 fran, well a bunch of people can do that.
maybe for a well balanced athlete you are right...my numbers are based on my own experience. Compared to my METCON ability I am "understrong" so my Fran time is not as impressive as my Helen time....none of which come close to what I posted here as suggestions.

...and by all means, these numbers are open for editting.
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Old 10-23-2009, 07:14 AM   #7
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

Enough to qualify for the games, maybe one place off.
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Old 10-23-2009, 08:26 AM   #8
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

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maybe for a well balanced athlete you are right...my numbers are based on my own experience. Compared to my METCON ability I am "understrong" so my Fran time is not as impressive as my Helen time....none of which come close to what I posted here as suggestions.
If you're not a well balanced athlete, you're not a (Crossfit) firebreather. None of the benchmarks in, say, the Seattle Crossfit standards is particularly impressive for specialists. The hard part is getting them all at once.

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Old 10-23-2009, 08:49 AM   #9
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

I don't think you need to be balanced to be a fire breather. Most of the competitors at the game excelled in a few events and were average at the rest (average for a games competitor). Much like in decathlon, few people are equally good at all events.

A fire breather could be someone who smokes z few events enough to make up for a lack in other areas or someone who comes in 2nd or third in all events.
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Old 10-23-2009, 09:36 AM   #10
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Re: Firebreathers...what minimum performance qualifies?

oh. I see. I thought you were just throwing out what you thought were elite numbers... which is why I said Fran was low compared to the others.

my helen is also way better than my fran (neither of which come close to these numbers) because I am a pretty fast runner and good at kipping, but I am very weak when it comes to 65 pound thrusters.

It is true that a firebreather can have weaknesses - but a slow fran is indicative of both sub-optimal conditioning (short and fast - v high intensity) and perhaps weaker upper body strength. I would assume that if you had a slow fran (comparatively) you would also not do great at workouts that involve other overhead movements, or very short metcons that require an 'all out' effort for only a couple of minutes.

It would depend greatly on what comes out of the chipper. You could go to the games with those numbers, smoke the running WOD, power through bodyweight workouts, and probably excel at a deadlift or clean based WOD. But if a Jerk-heavy WOD came up or a super short metcon that could be done in <3 minutes... you might be in trouble.

But I would certainly say somebody with those numbers was a firebreather, based on the Helen and 5k times alone. That's a fast 5k for a 'non-runner'
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