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Old 12-11-2010, 11:12 AM   #11
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

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So what?
4real. Quarter squats are more "enjoyable" than full squats, but does that mean I should do em?
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Old 12-11-2010, 11:40 AM   #12
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

I realize deadhang/weighted deadhang are best for strength, I was more looking to find which type is appropriate for when. It makes sense that butterfly builds speed/coordination. Thanks
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Old 12-11-2010, 03:50 PM   #13
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

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4real. Quarter squats are more "enjoyable" than full squats, but does that mean I should do em?
Enjoyable is probably the wrong choice of word, but I do value butterflies over dead hang. Then again, I choose not to emphasize strength.
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Old 12-11-2010, 04:20 PM   #14
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

The butterfly is far easier on my shoulders - specifically the AC joint - than the traditional kip due to the lack of sudden change of direction. Obviously this is not the case with everyone, though.

As for when to use each variation, learn them all safely and then decide. They all have their place.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:32 PM   #15
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

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The butterfly is far easier on my shoulders - specifically the AC joint - than the traditional kip due to the lack of sudden change of direction. Obviously this is not the case with everyone, though.

As for when to use each variation, learn them all safely and then decide. They all have their place.
I don't know about that... I have only hurt my shoulder doing pullups once, and it was done butterfly kipping. Your shoulders are taking a blow at the bottom of the movement. I would argue the butterfly is actually much harder on the shoulders...
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:41 PM   #16
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

That's exactly why I said they were easier on MY shoulders, not EVERY athlete's shoulders.

A healthy and balanced shoulder shouldn't have much difficulty with either variation, especially if they are taught responsibly and built up to correctly.
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Old 12-13-2010, 11:27 AM   #17
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That's exactly why I said they were easier on MY shoulders, not EVERY athlete's shoulders.

A healthy and balanced shoulder shouldn't have much difficulty with either variation, especially if they are taught responsibly and built up to correctly.
I misunderstood. Good point.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:30 AM   #18
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

I find the butterfly to be easier on my shoulders too, but I notice I do a much more circular movement than others I've noticed who seem to drop straight down...
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:22 AM   #19
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

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So what?
Seriously?

The man isn't allowed to prefer one over the other?
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Old 12-15-2010, 10:45 AM   #20
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Re: Butterfly kipping vs regular kipping?

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If you wanna build strength, dead hangs are the way to go.
The only way to go IMO.

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Everytime I work on getting the butterfly down I just about tear my shoulders out of their sockets. For me the slight reduction in cycle time is not worth the risk, seeing as I can already do belly-to-bar pullups and bar muscle-ups using a glide kip. YMMV.
I am anti Kip. My shoulders agree with me.
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