CrossFit Discussion Board  

Go Back   CrossFit Discussion Board > CrossFit Forum > Exercises
CrossFit Home Forum Site Rules CrossFit FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Exercises Movements, technique & proper execution

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-05-2009, 12:59 PM   #21
Michael Wengloski
Member Michael Wengloski is offline
 
Michael Wengloski's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Diego  CA
Posts: 288
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Renee Lee View Post
...why would you...i don't....


so confused...
Common since isn't too common.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2009, 02:19 PM   #22
Richard West
Member Richard West is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Bloomington  IN
Posts: 79
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Renee Lee View Post
...why would you...i don't....


so confused...
I did it once as a joke. It was as funny as you'd expect.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2009, 05:01 PM   #23
Zach Gates
Member Zach Gates is offline
 
Zach Gates's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Johnstown  PA
Posts: 305
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Auerbach View Post
I really don't see where an over/under grip would necessarily increase the chance of a torn bicep unless your arms are bent when pulling and you yank the bar off the floor. I've officially deadlifted 600 lbs with an over/under grip and have used this grip style for years and have never had any issues with biceps pulls.
Anecdotally, I've seen a lot of biceps tears over the years from deadlifting, and it's NEVER been on the overhand arm. Look for it in videos, it's always the underhand. Here's just three random examples:

ALL LINKS SFW SAVE POSSIBLE LANGUAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_nIfVwZ1RU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls9EygRn_3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

Point being, KEEP YOUR BICEPS HEALTHY.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2009, 09:18 PM   #24
Adam Auerbach
Member Adam Auerbach is offline
 
Adam Auerbach's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Reno  NV
Posts: 19
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Other factors come into play with bicep tears. Steroid use, lack of complete elbow extension, pulling on the bar in a ballistic fashion. Anything can happen. I've seen more catastrophic injuries from Olympic weightlifting than powerlifting such as blown patella tendons, dislocated elbows and broken wrists.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach Gates View Post
Anecdotally, I've seen a lot of biceps tears over the years from deadlifting, and it's NEVER been on the overhand arm. Look for it in videos, it's always the underhand. Here's just three random examples:

ALL LINKS SFW SAVE POSSIBLE LANGUAGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_nIfVwZ1RU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls9EygRn_3c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW6dTdSnDtU

Point being, KEEP YOUR BICEPS HEALTHY.
__________________
Adam Auerbach, CSCS, USAW Club Coach
www.bumperplates.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2009, 12:23 AM   #25
Andrew Durham
Member Andrew Durham is offline
 
Andrew Durham's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Zushi-Shi  Kanagawa
Posts: 117
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Colin Francis View Post
I'm only surprised that the trainer advocated deadlifts in the first place. I would think that liability for back injury would worry them more than elbow problems. funny, funny, funny
Yeah me too. This guys training methods do differ slightly than the average Globo Trainer though. I have seem some of his group classes that appear to be CF like. I think he's a CF hater though. I had my CF shirt, the one we get at the Level 1, and one of his clients asked me about CF. He was quick to step in and not let me give them an ear full. Probably not a hater, just doesn't wasn't to loose an client to something better than his program.
__________________
:)
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2009, 05:18 AM   #26
Yahya Kohgadai
Member Yahya Kohgadai is offline
 
Yahya Kohgadai's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Hayward  CA
Posts: 1,385
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

On a related note... do you think the mixed grip torques the spine a bit when lifting heavy?
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2009, 08:13 AM   #27
Zach Gates
Member Zach Gates is offline
 
Zach Gates's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Johnstown  PA
Posts: 305
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Auerbach View Post
Other factors come into play with bicep tears. Steroid use, lack of complete elbow extension, pulling on the bar in a ballistic fashion. Anything can happen. I've seen more catastrophic injuries from Olympic weightlifting than powerlifting such as blown patella tendons, dislocated elbows and broken wrists.
Okay, two things:

1) Regardless of the "factors" you cite, the point is that by and large it's the supinated arm that tends to be more at risk of tears than the pronated. The "factors" are merely further symptoms thereof.

2) Then you haven't seen many powerlifting injuries. 99% of Oly lifting injuries I see are popped joints and wrists. By its very nature PL is more injury prone since the weights lifted are the most the person's body can handle, worse still when we're talking equipped. A dislocated elbow or a broken wrist is pretty mild compared to a shattered sternum or having the quadricep muscles tear completely off the knee.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-06-2009, 02:56 PM   #28
Ben Moskowitz
Member Ben Moskowitz is offline
 
Profile:
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: St. Louis  MO
Posts: 756
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam Auerbach View Post
The over/under grip style(powerlifting grip) is a cheat grip. It helps keep the bar from slipping out of the lifters hands, but the strength crossover to other grip related exercises won't be as effective as an overhand grip.
I totally agree. I was just pointing out that it would maintain/improve grip strength more than a hook grip. Another thing to check out for the double overhand is the reverse hook grip, with the thumb wrapping over the fingers. (WFS)

In regards to strength, do you think that with all the other grip-intensive exercises in CF, a hook grip on DL's wouldn't really be a detriment and would only save precious biceps (and their peekz)?

Last edited by Ben Moskowitz : 06-06-2009 at 02:56 PM. Reason: link
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2009, 09:49 PM   #29
Adam Auerbach
Member Adam Auerbach is offline
 
Adam Auerbach's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Reno  NV
Posts: 19
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

Just to clarify, I'm not advocating using the over/under grip, just sharing my personal experience. Hopefully Ben can decide whether or not using the over/under grip is worth it or not.

I won't get too far off topic comparing powerlifting versus weightlifting injuries, but I agree powerlifting has gotten completely out of hand IMO with the supportive equipment and lifting styles many lifters employ to drastically shorten the range of motion necessary to complete a lift. The potential for a devastating injury is greatly increased because lifters are attempting lifts far beyond what their bodies could do unequipped.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zach Gates View Post
Okay, two things:

1) Regardless of the "factors" you cite, the point is that by and large it's the supinated arm that tends to be more at risk of tears than the pronated. The "factors" are merely further symptoms thereof.

2) Then you haven't seen many powerlifting injuries. 99% of Oly lifting injuries I see are popped joints and wrists. By its very nature PL is more injury prone since the weights lifted are the most the person's body can handle, worse still when we're talking equipped. A dislocated elbow or a broken wrist is pretty mild compared to a shattered sternum or having the quadricep muscles tear completely off the knee.
__________________
Adam Auerbach, CSCS, USAW Club Coach
www.bumperplates.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2009, 09:53 PM   #30
Adam Auerbach
Member Adam Auerbach is offline
 
Adam Auerbach's Avatar
 
Profile:
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Reno  NV
Posts: 19
Re: Deadlift: Mixed Grip

I believe you'll be fine using the hook grip for deadlifting. That's all I use these days for the OL's, pulls and deadlifts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Moskowitz View Post
I totally agree. I was just pointing out that it would maintain/improve grip strength more than a hook grip. Another thing to check out for the double overhand is the reverse hook grip, with the thumb wrapping over the fingers. (WFS)

In regards to strength, do you think that with all the other grip-intensive exercises in CF, a hook grip on DL's wouldn't really be a detriment and would only save precious biceps (and their peekz)?
__________________
Adam Auerbach, CSCS, USAW Club Coach
www.bumperplates.com
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mixed-Grip kipping Pullups Luke Hitt Exercises 4 03-05-2009 12:34 PM
Deadlift Grip Sean Fox Exercises 5 12-15-2008 02:18 PM
Deadlift Grip David Ryan Thomas Exercises 17 09-26-2008 04:39 PM
Deadlift Grip Conor Hopkins Exercises 1 07-24-2008 08:40 PM
Deadlift grip for SS Trampas Hutches Exercises 5 04-10-2008 10:23 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:08 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
CrossFit is a registered trademark of CrossFit Inc.