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Old 07-30-2011, 12:31 AM   #1
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Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

Why measure for time during Oly lifts at all? Bad technique can indeed lead to injuries and has been a major criticism of CF for years now. I think it's a good that Oly lifts should be carefully monitored and judged just like at a powerlifting meet. If the lift is accomplished with bad form then the athlete would get hit with a time penalty, like 10 seconds for each bad rep. I think that would go a long way to keeping things safe by getting people to focus on technique. Sure times would slow down a bit as people eliminate "crossfit slop", but in the long run I think it'd be a good thing.

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Old 07-30-2011, 02:41 AM   #2
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

How about just no rep versus ten second penalty? That would be much simpler.
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Old 07-30-2011, 03:01 AM   #3
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

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How about just no rep versus ten second penalty? That would be much simpler.
+1 to this. If a workout states to snatch, clean, or jerk, then you do those movements. If it's a ground-to-overhead anyhow, then you do it however you want.

No-rep it if they press out, or if their technique truly is just God-awful.
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Old 07-30-2011, 04:27 AM   #4
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

The reason I opted for the time penalty is because that's the goal of a timed WOD so that should be what's dinged IMO. Plus the psychological factor of being interrupted during the WOD and having to do even more work of extra reps. I think just having the time penalty added to the end of the WOD is the way to go. Think timed sporting events when an athlete messes up.
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Old 07-30-2011, 06:57 AM   #5
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

Who decides what "bad form" is? How bad is bad enough to illicit a penalty?

Listen, the issue of whether Olympic lifts in WoDs are safe has been discussed many times. I'd start here: http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=68643 (WFS) before starting a new thread. There are more but no time to find them right now.
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:02 AM   #6
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

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Who decides what "bad form" is? How bad is bad enough to illicit a penalty?
A good coach should know what is good form or not. Judges make the call on if a lift was successful all the time in competitions and coaches train their people so they meet the standards of what makes for a proper lift. It's all quite basic actually. I'm saying take that and apply a time penalty so people aren't sacrificing form (thus putting themselves at risk) in lieu of getting a better time.
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:32 PM   #7
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

There are established criteria for judging the Olympic lifts. Why not use those?
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Old 07-30-2011, 12:46 PM   #8
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

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Who decides what "bad form" is? How bad is bad enough to illicit a penalty?

Listen, the issue of whether Olympic lifts in WoDs are safe has been discussed many times. I'd start here: http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=68643 (WFS) before starting a new thread. There are more but no time to find them right now.
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A good coach should know what is good form or not. Judges make the call on if a lift was successful all the time in competitions and coaches train their people so they meet the standards of what makes for a proper lift. It's all quite basic actually. I'm saying take that and apply a time penalty so people aren't sacrificing form (thus putting themselves at risk) in lieu of getting a better time.
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There are established criteria for judging the Olympic lifts. Why not use those?
A successful snatch/cj can still pass oly judging and be butt ugly. Although a single ugly lift can pass for a "good lift" I wouldn't necessarily advise performing lifts for reps with that kind of form.
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Re: Was reading the Gillian article and had a thought...

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There are established criteria for judging the Olympic lifts. Why not use those?
Lack of experienced Oly judges who can consistently differentiate a good lift from a bad lift, probably. In an Oly comp it's the same 3 judges ruling on every lifter who comes through. In a CF comp you've gotta have enough judges for each competitor. That scenario would greatly increase the possibility of one judge's strict or lax standards making a huge difference in the results, a la AJ Moore's KB swings in the regionals.

I'm not condoning horrible technique by any means, but those factors have to be considered.
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There are established criteria for judging the Olympic lifts. Why not use those?
Exactly. This is where choosing good coaches comes into play. CF has been dinged in the past for loose quality control when it comes to certification and it's a valid concern. To be fair it's not one that is exclusive to CF. A good coach should know what qualifies as good & safe technique and if your coaches aren't calling out bad form IMO I'd be looking for a new box.
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