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Old 11-29-2010, 09:55 PM   #21
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Re: Conjugate CF article

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Are you saying that about DE days? Meaning, if you squat 300, and are doing a wave of 55%, 60%, 65%, you should do 165, 180, and 195 on the bar, and THEN add bands/chains? Or should the weight at the TOP, with all the extra band tension or chain weight equal 165, 180, or 195?
I've been wondering that, too.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:17 PM   #22
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I don't think I can answer this... I am in timeout or the like.
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Old 11-29-2010, 10:46 PM   #23
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My understanding is you add 25% band tension to the barbell load on your DE days. I'm sure Chris will chime in if I'm wrong.
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:11 AM   #24
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My understanding is you add 25% band tension to the barbell load on your DE days. I'm sure Chris will chime in if I'm wrong.
I think the mods told him he needed a time out, so alternate means to reach him might be more effective.

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Old 11-30-2010, 06:36 PM   #25
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My understanding is you add 25% band tension to the barbell load on your DE days. I'm sure Chris will chime in if I'm wrong.
Is that 25% after you put 55%-65% on the bar, or the 55%-65% includes the tension at the top? That's my question.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:37 PM   #26
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I think the mods told him he needed a time out, so alternate means to reach him might be more effective.

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Old 11-30-2010, 09:22 PM   #27
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Troy, after reading the book, it seemed to me that the band/chain weight/percentage was included in the overall weight i.e. not 50% plus an additional 25% of band tension at the top. I've tried it both ways and found that adding it on at the end was too much weight and the bar speed was therefore too slow. I'm sure it depends on the lifters ability, but everyone at my gym was moving the weight too slow, so I changed it to be all-inclusive. Since changing it, I have definitely noticed a greater "explosiveness" in all the lifters, and I think they benefitted greater as well (increased maxes).

Either way, they are supposed to be speed lifts, so if you aren't moving the weights fast enough, you need to drop the weight down.

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Old 12-02-2010, 05:48 AM   #28
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I don't think I can answer this... I am in timeout or the like.
You can answer,but your posts have to be approved by a moderator.
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:05 AM   #29
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And I think Tim has it correct.
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Old 12-02-2010, 09:48 AM   #30
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Ok, I CAN answer this . Not sure what the time lag will be before approval, but here it goes:

The answer is that in the classic pendulum wave for DE squat day the percentages used are 50, 55, and 60% respectively by week. Those percentages are of your 1RM max and are bar load only. So, if you can box squat 300 lbs for a 1RM you would start your DE day using 150 lbs of weight on the bar and then add the bands. Does that make sense?

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