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Old 08-09-2009, 06:14 AM   #1
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Using CF theory in school

Hi, I'm trying to write a proposal to my school for creating a strength and conditioning coach position. I would like to use some of the information found in the CFJ and at the mainsite, but want to know what the proper approach to this is.

1. Who do I talk to in order to get permission to use it?
2. This would NOT be used for commercial use, just explaining fitness theory
3. The founders of CF would be given credit for their intellectual property in the proposal, but CF would NOT be held responsible for any training-related problems and CF would NOT be abused for personal gain (as mentioned in point #2)

Basically, just to sum up, I want to explain to the school why our sports programs are not doing so well (depending on natural athlete ability, not training smart, causing injuries due to lack of preparation), what the proper build up is (Coach's 'Theoretical Hierarchy Development'), and the reasons why we should have students participate in functional movements and not just sit down at machines. This is all done in an effort to improve a school's athletic program, not to use CF's intellectual property for personal gain or commercial benefit. And, as stated before, CF would be credited with the theory, but not blamed for injury or other training related issues.

I just read a CFJ article by Tony Budding about a school using CF for PE, and wanted to find out what the deal is currently.

Thanks for your time!
 
Old 08-09-2009, 07:52 AM   #2
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Re: Using CF theory in school

The verbatim text is, I would assume, copyrighted, but obviously the basic ideas are in the public domain. In the same sense you might argue that "Zatsiorsky argues in the "The Science and Practice of Strength training" that, x, y, z". . , you can use CrossFit by saying "CrossFit founder Greg Glassman argues x, y, z."

I can't see them having any issue with that. After all, you are helping to spread the word, and if they wanted to keep everything close to their chest, they would.
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Old 08-09-2009, 11:15 AM   #3
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The verbatim text is, I would assume, copyrighted, but obviously the basic ideas are in the public domain. In the same sense you might argue that "Zatsiorsky argues in the "The Science and Practice of Strength training" that, x, y, z". . , you can use CrossFit by saying "CrossFit founder Greg Glassman argues x, y, z."
The difference is Zatsiorksy is a world famous PhD and has an extensive resume of peer reviewed theories and textbooks and Glassman has.........

Tough to compare the two.

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Old 08-09-2009, 11:36 AM   #4
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Re: Using CF theory in school

I think the original question--the propriety of discussing CrossFit ideas in a classroom--has been answered.

As far as Coach Glassman relative to Zatstiorsky, the former has over 1,000 affiliates doing workouts along his principles daily. Figure 20 workouts per affiliate, that is about 20,000 CrossFit workouts daily. Add to that people doing it on their own--including many military units--and the number likely climbs closer to 30-40,000.

All of this is grassroots, too. There is no coercion. This is people who find this, like it, do it, and tell others about it. There's no sales team.

Why in the world would you think a Ph.D matters? Does Louie Simmons have a Ph.D?

As far as that goes, did Zatsiorsky invent CrossFit? Don't get me wrong, I admire Zatsiorsky, but Coach Glassman has done me a lot more good, and it's abundantly obvious he has reached a lot more people.
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Old 08-09-2009, 12:35 PM   #5
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I think the original question--the propriety of discussing CrossFit ideas in a classroom--has been answered.

As far as Coach Glassman relative to Zatstiorsky, the former has over 1,000 affiliates doing workouts along his principles daily. Figure 20 workouts per affiliate, that is about 20,000 CrossFit workouts daily. Add to that people doing it on their own--including many military units--and the number likely climbs closer to 30-40,000.

All of this is grassroots, too. There is no coercion. This is people who find this, like it, do it, and tell others about it. There's no sales team.

Why in the world would you think a Ph.D matters? Does Louie Simmons have a Ph.D?

As far as that goes, did Zatsiorsky invent CrossFit? Don't get me wrong, I admire Zatsiorsky, but Coach Glassman has done me a lot more good, and it's abundantly obvious he has reached a lot more people.
Um, no. Zatsiorsky's textbook is used to teach people. People that use that knowledge to earn degrees in the way the human body moves....not pay $1,000 for a weekend certification.

Zatsiorksy's name is practically synonymous with strength training. I'm fairly certain more people have strength trained in the past 30 years than have followed a WOD.

Tough to argue the historical PROVEN, peer reviewed influence of Zatsiorsky vs. Glassman.

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Tough? Maybe for you, but to me something on the order of 30,000 workouts a DAY means something.

I'll argue that point until the cows come home. Zatsiorsky is a very clever man, and I have spouted his ideas on this site on a number of occasions. He was very influential on Simmons and others.

But to argue that a man whose name is foreign to almost all but the specialists has done more PRACTICAL research into human performance than someone who is doing countless daily experiments is silly.

If you want to argue that YOU like Zatsiorsky better, then go find his website and do his workouts. Nobody is stopping you.

If you want to do CrossFit, then you are in the right place. I will readily admit it's not for everyone. Among other things, you have to check your ego at the door.
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:17 PM   #7
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Re: Using CF theory in school

Steven, for all of your belittleing of CF, its founders and its ideas, you sure are here a lot.
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If by "specialist" you mean Kiniesiologists, the NSCA, certified personal trainers all over the world, then you got me. If you suggest that being the Chair of Biomechanics at Penn St is less than of an accomplishment than, say "publishing" CFJ? Well, than add your opinion to the list of things that I think is gobby.

You're quite reckless in suggesting that the OP use the "yeah, Zatsiorsky may have a PhD and he may have 'written the book,' on Strength Training, but the guy I like better has a website" in trying to prove a point in an academic situation.

Maybe you could compel Coach Glassman to submit something for peer review - that would go a long way in helping the OP "win" his argument.

-5 for making this thread about you vs. me.
 
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Steven, for all of your belittleing of CF, its founders and its ideas, you sure are here a lot.
I'm not belittling anyone. I'm entitled to my opinion as much as you are - even if you don't agree with it.

Inferring that I should leave is weak, IMO.
 
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I'm not inferring you should leave. I am simply observing that a lot of what you say is negative.
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