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Old 12-31-2006, 01:48 PM   #11
Garry Berryhill
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I caught Liddell/Ortiz, pretty much my first full exposure to modern UFC (IIRC, the last time I sat down to watch a full UFC fight they had Bill Wallace doing color.)

This is the stuff that's killing boxing? I think it was Liddell's three step-in right hands, his chin open as an all-night diner, that made me realize the two sports are as alike as basketball and tennis.

I can see the appeal, but I still prefer Queensbury rules.
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Old 12-31-2006, 03:31 PM   #12
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Garry,

To a first time observer, what you're saying about Chuck's chin being open makes sense (though I haven't yet seen the fight.) Chuck's style is partly a result of the 4 ounce gloves used in MMA. One simply cannot cover up the way one can with boxing gloves; 4 ounce gloves slip right through.

Check out The Pit, a Crossfit affiliate: http://www.thepit.tv/ Chuck's striking coach, John Hackleman (who posts here) has EXTENSIVE professional boxing experience. He has helped Chuck adapt his striking game to the specific needs of MMA Check out this video of Coach H. from one of the seminars.

http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/left-hook.wmv

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Old 12-31-2006, 05:07 PM   #13
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I was thinking about that while watching, how he broke the "arms up elbows in chin down" rule, but he's also AMAZING at slipping so he can get away with it.
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Old 12-31-2006, 06:39 PM   #14
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"EXTENSIVE professional boxing experience"


Where is that listed??
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Old 12-31-2006, 06:43 PM   #15
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I can understand how MMA would require different guards from boxing. Neither fighter really seemed secure in letting his hands go, something I assumed came from guarding against grapple attempts.

It was an interesting look at a very different sport.
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Old 12-31-2006, 08:25 PM   #16
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Matthew,

In addition to fighting on the U.S. Army boxing team his experience is as follows from the Pit's website:

"As well as fighting for for Don King, John has fought and trained all over the world. He has had 20 pro boxing matches and has worked with the world's best, such as Benny "The Jet" Urquidez, Pete "SugarFoot" Cunningham, Joe Lewis, Stan "The Man" Longinious, Kenny Hodge, G.C Smith, Al Mims, Vinny Curto, and Andy Ganigan to name a few. John was known for his conditioning and vicious punches and kicks. He retired with two championship belts. John has fought on some of the world's best organizations like the "All Army" boxing team, The Muhamad Ali boxing team, Cecil People's Karate, The Jet Center's Kickboxing team."

In my opinion, that's extensive.
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Old 12-31-2006, 08:35 PM   #17
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Records show John as having 13 boxing matches,

W 8 (7 ko's) | L 4 | D 1

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=56303

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Old 12-31-2006, 10:29 PM   #18
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Cool link. Thanks Matthew.
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Old 01-02-2007, 07:33 PM   #19
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Garry,

Of course the boxing in boxing is prettier, as boxers specialize in only boxing. It's hard to be better than a specialist when you have to work on kicks, clinching, wrestling, and BJJ, in addition to boxing. Because all these elements are required in an MMA bout, this will necessitate a different boxing style. However, don't get the impression that boxing is more of a "sweet science," as as MMA is much more complex.
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Old 01-02-2007, 10:06 PM   #20
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MMA and boxing ARE two different sports, and SHOULD look like two different sports. They have similar elements, but completely different contexts.

Striking in MMA will never look like boxing no matter how long and extensive the training of an MMA fighter -- boxers don't get kneed and elbowed, boxers don't get taken down by wrestlers, boxers don't fight in a cage, etc, etc, etc.
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