Carb-Ups

Neill S. Occhiogrosso · 05-19-2004, 07:22 AM

I don't have any of the books on Cyclic Ketogenic Diets. What are ideal foods for a CKD carb load? What is the scientific argument behind the carb load?

Thanks

Robert Wolf · 05-20-2004, 10:53 AM

Neil-
Good food IMO includes sweet potato and yams. Science? The arguement FOR CKD's is powerfull, very very convincing. I have not found the results to be consistent with the theory. If youu check the archives the consensus seems to be that the downsides of the carb load are hard to escape.
Robb

Alexander Karatis · 05-20-2004, 11:47 PM

I concur with Robb 100% on this one. I thought that the phrase "carb ups make me feel like crap" was so much of a cliche, that I just had to try and hope for a different experience.

Alas, I felt the exact same thing. After stuffing myself on two different carb-up days, the result the next day was always the same. Dazy, irritable, lack of motivation and strength in my workout.

It sounded like perfection-the ultimate way to manipulate your body's hormones. The practical reality however was that it didn't make me feel good, and it was too regimented for me. Although I average 30-70g of carbs per day, I would like to eat more when it is available (like when in a nice tavern),not when I am "allowed" to.

Experience in what works for your body and what doesn't is the second pillar of a healthy lifestyle. (The first being knowledge). Once you know your body well enough, you know when to keep pushing for intensity on your workouts, when to take it easy, when to suddenly stop etc. Same thing with nutrition. (Overeat, undereat, add more carbs, tinker with fat etc.-->This, usually in conjuction with your training practices). (For example, I will often push for 100% on two three-day WOD cycles, eating large protein-fat meals post w/o, then suddenly take a break, lower calories and add carbs...)
It sounds silly but it is an interactive process. You give momentum, then try to "ride the groove". Change momentum, ride the groove.

I hope it doesn't sound corny but that's how it settles in my head.

If you're interesting in reading about CKDs, buy Natural Hormonal Enhancement, by Rob Faigin.

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05-19-2004, 07:22 AM	#1
Neill S. Occhiogrosso Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Philadelphia PA Posts: 177	I don't have any of the books on Cyclic Ketogenic Diets. What are ideal foods for a CKD carb load? What is the scientific argument behind the carb load? Thanks

05-20-2004, 10:53 AM	#2
Robert Wolf Member Profile: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chico CA Posts: 2,669	Neil- Good food IMO includes sweet potato and yams. Science? The arguement FOR CKD's is powerfull, very very convincing. I have not found the results to be consistent with the theory. If youu check the archives the consensus seems to be that the downsides of the carb load are hard to escape. Robb

05-20-2004, 11:47 PM	#3
Alexander Karatis Member Profile: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Athens Attica, Greece Posts: 786	I concur with Robb 100% on this one. I thought that the phrase "carb ups make me feel like crap" was so much of a cliche, that I just had to try and hope for a different experience. Alas, I felt the exact same thing. After stuffing myself on two different carb-up days, the result the next day was always the same. Dazy, irritable, lack of motivation and strength in my workout. It sounded like perfection-the ultimate way to manipulate your body's hormones. The practical reality however was that it didn't make me feel good, and it was too regimented for me. Although I average 30-70g of carbs per day, I would like to eat more when it is available (like when in a nice tavern),not when I am "allowed" to. Experience in what works for your body and what doesn't is the second pillar of a healthy lifestyle. (The first being knowledge). Once you know your body well enough, you know when to keep pushing for intensity on your workouts, when to take it easy, when to suddenly stop etc. Same thing with nutrition. (Overeat, undereat, add more carbs, tinker with fat etc.-->This, usually in conjuction with your training practices). (For example, I will often push for 100% on two three-day WOD cycles, eating large protein-fat meals post w/o, then suddenly take a break, lower calories and add carbs...) It sounds silly but it is an interactive process. You give momentum, then try to "ride the groove". Change momentum, ride the groove. I hope it doesn't sound corny but that's how it settles in my head. If you're interesting in reading about CKDs, buy Natural Hormonal Enhancement, by Rob Faigin.