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Old 01-06-2010, 07:07 AM   #1
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Blatant rip off?

I don't get into the "this looks like CrossFit" argument often, but I recieved an e-mail (spam) from these guys and it looks like he took a few too many liberties with IP.

http://warrior-fitness.com/?page_id=148 (WFS)

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Old 01-06-2010, 07:32 AM   #2
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Re: Blatant rip off?

"Cross-training" was here long before Crossfit. He is not claiming to run a "crossfit" workout... he's just listing his credentials. Unless you start using the word "Crossfit" to promote your workouts, no one from HQ is going to care.
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Old 01-06-2010, 07:40 AM   #3
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Re: Blatant rip off?

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Old 01-06-2010, 09:21 AM   #4
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Re: Blatant rip off?

I see no IP violations. If you see any specific ones I would e-mail them to HQ.
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:34 AM   #5
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Re: Blatant rip off?

Last I checked, CrossFit doesn't own the energy pathways, the 10 general characteristics of fitness, cross-training, or the pushup.


Robb Shaul also mentions he's CF-certified and has many of the same goals as CrossFit, here: http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page_ID=2 (wfs)

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Old 01-06-2010, 10:29 AM   #6
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Re: Blatant rip off?

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Last I checked, CrossFit doesn't own the energy pathways, the 10 general characteristics of fitness, cross-training, or the pushup.


Robb Shaul also mentions he's CF-certified and has many of the same goals as CrossFit, here: http://www.mtnathlete.com/page.php?page_ID=2 (wfs)
And lets not forget those 10 characteristics were adopted by CF.
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Old 01-06-2010, 12:23 PM   #7
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Re: Blatant rip off?

So what is the difference between him and Mark Twight? Why affiliate at all?
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Old 01-06-2010, 12:30 PM   #8
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Re: Blatant rip off?

I did some research under the FAQ.

1.You can state on your website/business cards that you are CrossFit
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2. You can say you use CrossFit methods.
3. Being an affliate lets you use the CrossFit name, slogans, art work. and
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Old 01-07-2010, 12:22 PM   #9
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Re: Blatant rip off?

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So what is the difference between him and Mark Twight? Why affiliate at all?
Mark Twight was an affiliate and a friend of Greg's back in the day. They used to talk on the phone quite regularly, as I understand it. Mark left suddenly, but that's a story of much contention and not worth going into.

The reasons for affiliating are that (1) you can use the CF name and advertise yourself as such. That carries with it some equities and good will; (2) you get listed here on the site as an Affil and get all of the support from the community (if that matters or you want it); (3) potential certs and priority on a lot of events, etc.

Not being an Affiliate means you can't advertise or market yourself using the CF name and even saying "I use CF methods" has its limits. You can list your qual as part of a resume/bio. That's it.

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Old 01-08-2010, 11:36 AM   #10
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Re: Blatant rip off?

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I don't get into the "this looks like CrossFit" argument often, but I recieved an e-mail (spam) from these guys and it looks like he took a few too many liberties with IP.

http://warrior-fitness.com/?page_id=148 (WFS)
Jay,

Just for your information I used to be a Crossfit Affiliate up until July 2009. I no longer am because i am not big into Barbells (Most Calls I got wanted Barbell training). It is not really practical for me to teach barbells given the nature of my program. I have many other tool that I use that work just fine for my athletes. I love the variety and intensity Crossfit brings which is why I affiliated in the past. I am not interested in getting involved in all the politics Crossfit is prone to these days. I just want to train my people.

FYI - I was training my athletes very similar to Crossfit Method long before I knew what Crossfit was. In the defense of Crossfit I can say that I have learned a lot from all the resources Crossfit has to offer.

by the way Jay - What SPAM email did you get from me? I only send emails to my members. If you could please PM me with the SPAM email so I can check it out.

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