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Old 09-25-2004, 01:21 PM   #11
Steve Shafley
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Small waist = weak waist (so sez Louie Simmons)

You obsessive/compulsive types keep that in mind. Heavy squatting and pulling will indeed increase your waist size. You can bet you'll see this at some point in the game.

Not that this isn't about a skinfold pinch or about spare tires, but rather an increase in the actual underlying musculature.
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Old 09-25-2004, 02:14 PM   #12
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I've heard that Alexeev actually had pretty low body fat for most of his career. Who knows? Mario Martinez from a few years ago had a paunch on him too, but he otherwise looked hard as a rock, and I think his bodyfat was pretty low.

John McCallum also recommends in his book at one point that bodybuilders going for a "V" eliminate power cleans and deadlifts.

I think CrossFit will give you defined, strong abs, which includes the obliques, but not necessarily the taper bodybuilders work for.
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Old 09-25-2004, 02:35 PM   #13
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I think you'll see a little increase in waist size from the development of the muscles, not too much, not enough to interfere with a tapered appearance. For cosmetic purposes, I think a slightly larger waist with well developed muscles is much better. I think using a belt and getting in the habit of pushing your abs into it will stretch your belly out. Ditto, the habit of pushing your belly into your thighs coming out of the hole.

Which is better functional biomechanics, sucked in waist or pushed out? I'd say sucked in, but I guess the jury is still out on this.
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Old 09-25-2004, 03:36 PM   #14
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I like this thread. Now I know why I have gigantic waist with extremely low bodyfat. I think frontsquats INCREASE muscular waist size more effectively than anything else.

Personally, I hate the look of a weightlifter compared to a gymnast.

The lower ab thing and L-sit talk really hit me. I have the paunch and can't even hold an l-sit for 10 seconds. Time to get to work.


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Old 09-25-2004, 03:42 PM   #15
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Are "Glute-Ham Situps" the same as GH Raises ?


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Old 09-25-2004, 08:54 PM   #16
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There is a link to the situps on the exercises page at: I actually do them at home on one of those big swiss balls with my feet locked under my couch and going all the way back to the ground and then reaching all the way to the back of the couch on the way up to get the motion through the full range of muscle groups.

Paul, sorry my way of speaking upset you. In my family we use the word "actually" a lot and I didn't mean anything by it. I am not an expert by any means. But I think you and I are saying the same thing - that there are more than one muscle in that area and strengthening them all so that they work together is the way to heal all sorts of back (and other) issues. To me, that is part of the essence of cross fit - use the muscles together the way they are intended and you will eventually find that the whole body is stronger.
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Old 09-26-2004, 02:39 AM   #17
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That's ok Beth, yes I think we are saying the same thing after all. I must have been having an off day and just mis-read things :happy:
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