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Old 07-03-2014, 03:04 PM   #91
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Re: Wildcards?

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I seriously doubt any of them would finish the course, those things are insanely hard and made for people who are more like gymnasts. Let's put them through a wipeout course instead

hahahahaahahaha that would be absolutely amazing!!
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Old 07-03-2014, 11:20 PM   #92
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Once again, compare CF to any other sport and you'll see that there's not much precedent for previous year results to carry through to the current year.

Does Usain Bolt get a wildcard to the 2016 Olympics just because he won gold in 2012? Do the Seattle Seahawks or San Antonio Spurs get wild cards into the 2015 playoffs just because they won titles this year? Sure, Spain got a free pass to the 2014 World Cup for winning in 2010, but the didn't get a wild card through to the knockout stage. The Lakers and Celtics and Knicks have won a lot of NBA titles and have huge TV markets and fan bases who buy lots of t-shirts and jerseys, but none of them were given NBA playoff berths this year.
The country that holds the World Cup in soccer gets a free pass and does not need to qualify.... In golf they get a free pass if they win...

But in this case CF needs all the help they can get and giving the last years winner a free pass would not harm the sport.
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Old 07-04-2014, 12:37 PM   #93
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Re: Wildcards?

Yes, the PGA Tour has many exemptions to allow players to play in tournaments
without having to requalify.

http://www.pgatour.com/news/2013/player_exemptions.html (wfs)

Masters champions have a lifetime exemption to play in that tournament.

I believe more changes to the process within the CrossFit Games® will continue to occur.

Clearly the Games field as now constituted is NOT the best of the best in the world, just the best of the qualifiers.
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Old 07-05-2014, 01:25 PM   #94
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Re: Wildcards?

Golf is a difficult comparison. Just like team sports are. One thing you have to differentiate with CrossFit Games and PGA Tour is that the Games is more like a 'World championship'. PGA Tour (and other tours) are more week to week with season long goals. The majors also don't equate the Games either, because most of the entrants are pre-determined based on past performance - there really isn't a drop dead event for the top 100 in the world to enter (That's the 36 hole cut). They qualify through a year or more of performance. It is only the few (unproven) that have to gut it out the qualifiers.

In golf, the winner of the tournament gets exempted to the tour and is pretty much always invited back next year to defend. (and other events to strengthen the field and in turn, TV ratings, sponsor money or ticket sales). But in these are "weekly" tournaments, there are 125 (or something) players on the tour, they have can play in these tournaments too - they are already exempt. As does anyone who comes top 5 last week, Anyone who's top 50 in the world, anyone the sponsor invites, anyone who Monday qualifies and anyone who has conditional membership (can fill out the remaining spots, because not everyone plays each week, and the field is usually 144 players). I dont recall all the details, but the upshot is, the people you see on TV every week are not "qualifying".
Now, once they are in the tournament, if all the best players fail to make the cut, they are out - put the clubs in the trunk, slam it, and drive (fly) off to the next venue. They don't get to play the weekend.
This holds true in most events, even invitationals (like the masters) or events in Dubai/China where the stars are paid appearance fees just to tee it up.
The US Open and The Open Championship is also different. There are a many exemptions and ways to qualify, even for amateurs (winner and runner up of the US Amateur, British Am, Pub Links, Mid Am etc) and various winners of other pro tours, plus top 10 in various other majors etc. Probably over 80% of the field is determined in this way. Then there are qualifying spots where the are locals, sectionals all for a couple of spots (and alternates, who will be allowed to sit on the first tee all day in case there's a no show). Again, there are players who are exempt into sectionals and don't have to play in the locals. The entire Masters field in by invitation only - sure, there are certain things you can do to get an invite, like win a tournament or be at a certain ranking - but it is still at the discretion of Master's tournament committee. If someone was all over social media badmouthing the Masters, it wouldn't matter if they won the event 6 times and was world #1 .... they'd have to get back in their good graces to get an invite.
To get on the PGA Tour itself, where you are afforded all this privilege, you first have to go through 3 stages of qualifying (unless you exempted yourself through other avenues of play) for 25 spots to join the tour. You go to the bottom of the pecking order here too. From there. Win a tournament for a 2 yr exemption on tour, or enough money to play next year, otherwise qualify again.

So, long story shot. Golf tournaments not the same as the Games.

That being said, the games would be more like the FedEx Cup and/or the World Golf Championship. The World Golf Championship is determined by the Top N in the world rankings. CF isn't setup for that so no compare.
The FedEx cup is a season long event. With 4 tournaments post season the progressively cut the field. Get inside the top 130 by season end and you can play (regardless of who you are or what you've done). Play well (or poorly) that week is irrelvant, just be sure to be inside the top 100 and you can play next tournament.. Then it's top 70 and then 30 and you go to East Lake. You don't have to play in all 4, but you do have to finish inside the top 30 at the end of it all to have a chance (play more = more points = better chance to win it all).
From there, there's still a points system involved (based on season) but everyone does have a mathematical chance to win.
Last year's champion doesn't get exempt (other than exempt on tour ... but they're usually consistently inside the top 50 in the world, so the golf world is pretty much open to them).

It is more like Football, Baseball, Hockey, etc where there are no exemptions into the big show, you get there through a season's worth of performance.

I do, however, think there should be some level of exemption into the games or regionals over and above the winners. Not necessarily into the Games itself, but at least Regionals (and that whole regional process is creating weak fields). The classic example in my eyes is actually Annie T hurting herself in the Open - not the Sam B scenario. Annie should have been exempt into Regionals with no Open requirement. As for Sam Briggs and a few others, while I would like to see them there to strengthen the field, they still have to beat everyone who enters. They didn't get it done. It's not unlike bowing out someone who makes it to the final in the first round of matchplay. They beat everyone else, but you didn't.
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Old 07-05-2014, 02:17 PM   #95
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Re: Wildcards?

A good idea would have been to have the best of those that did not qualify.

Best of 4 & 5th place finishers.... Thus giving a second chance.

Best 2 men and 2 women qualify... 1 day 5 wod's all or nothing.
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Old 07-05-2014, 02:24 PM   #96
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Golf is a difficult comparison.
Way too much golf for me to quote

But there are many ways to qualify.... Maybe that is what CF needs
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Old 07-07-2014, 11:34 AM   #97
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The country that holds the World Cup in soccer gets a free pass and does not need to qualify.... In golf they get a free pass if they win...

But in this case CF needs all the help they can get and giving the last years winner a free pass would not harm the sport.
As a big soccer fan I just want to correct this. The holder no longer gets a pass into the next world cup. The only free pass goes to the host. Spain had to qualify for the 2014 world cup.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:20 PM   #98
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Re: Wildcards?

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Does Usain Bolt get a wildcard to the 2016 Olympics just because he won gold in 2012? Do the Seattle Seahawks or San Antonio Spurs get wild cards into the 2015 playoffs just because they won titles this year?
They should if the rules stated "winner gets free lifetime entry into the olympics/playoffs!"

In this case we have CF reneging on their own rule. And on the fact that there would be wildcards.
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:35 PM   #99
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As a big soccer fan I just want to correct this. The holder no longer gets a pass into the next world cup. The only free pass goes to the host. Spain had to qualify for the 2014 world cup.
Thats what i Said i thought!
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Old 07-07-2014, 05:16 PM   #100
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So is Briggs the fittest every day or just the days when the events line up with her strengths?
The same could be said of any winner, ever. Was Briggs just the fittest for 4-5 days in July last year? Was Annie just the fittest for a couple of days in July 2011 and July 2012?
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