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Old 05-29-2007, 01:17 PM   #11
Jason Lopez-Ota
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"Limiting your techniques to scenarios that have very little chance of taking place is kind of strange to me."

So are you suggesting that you should get on your knees and pray that if you're attacked it'll be easy?


Krav Maga trains for the WORST CASE SCENARIO. I think you should try Krav Maga yourself.
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Old 05-29-2007, 01:32 PM   #12
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WORST CASE SCENARIO

Does that include a Zombie Holocaust? What about Tanks, Hand grenades, or a group of 8-10 guys with baseball bats? What about Snake Pliskin? Can you teach me how to beat him up?

The old "what if" routine comes into play and it always comes into play when someone starts talking about any Martial Art that claims to be geared toward "street fighting" etc.

I'm not saying you can't learn useful techniques from Krav or any other style that teaches you to disarm people with guns or knives......I'm just saying that any discipline that says things like "Well, the only way to prove I can defend myself is if you attack me with the intention on killing me"....that sort of thing.


By the way Jason...how do you know I haven't tried a Krav class? Do you really think someone that has spent 20 years in Martial Arts hasn't explored other styles? Or know others that have had first hand experience with other styles? 20 years is a long time......what have you studied for 20 years?


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Old 05-29-2007, 02:41 PM   #13
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Some people have many years experience. Some never gain wisdom nor discernment and have 1 year experience many times.

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Old 05-29-2007, 02:57 PM   #14
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So back to the main question.......will we ever see a Krav specialist in the UFC or PRIDE?

Specialist meaning someone that claims Krav as being their number one discipline.

Or, are you guys saying you can't even use Krav techniques unless it's a life or death situation? Can you not use the basics in a somewhat normal self-defense situation? For example: A guy trying to punch or kick you? A guy trying to take you down to the ground? Things of that nature....or are you saying the ONLY way to defeat someone like that would be to gouge and eye?
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Old 05-29-2007, 03:19 PM   #15
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I do think that many martial art styles make subtle changes to accomodate competition, like for example in judo the throws were changed from their previous forms which all crush the opponent's knees.
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Old 05-29-2007, 03:59 PM   #16
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I already gave you one. Carlos Newton, UFC champion.

The UFC and Pride fighters are all experienced in different disciplines.

CKM is a combinations of years of training by Moni Aizik in several different styles.

Yes, CKM teach to defend against punch, kick, gun, knife, ground, etc.

Everyone learns for different reasons. I began as a student of Isshinryu in 1971. The goal was to learn self defense. I've never had any desires to compete in a cage. My art is to defend myself. Period.

I do not know about today, but in the 60's and 70's, within the military community, the Israeli's were always known as being ruthless hand to hand combatants.

David, you are confusing. In one statement you imply that you have taken a Krav Maga class and yet you seem to know nothing about it.

The Israeli martial arts have evolved differently than any other. They were created to defend their life.

Our members want to learn to save their life. By this time tomorrow morning, 400 Americans will suffer a shooting injury, and another 1100 will face a criminal with a gun. Within the hour, another 75 women will be raped. Those attacks don't occur in the octagon.

I am confident many of the UFC Pride fighters have some KM experience.

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Old 05-29-2007, 07:41 PM   #17
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David - Trying one class and dismissing it is like trying one WOD and dismissing it.

Bas Rutten has KM experience taught to him by Amir Perets who was the Israeli full contact champion.


WORST CASE SCENARIO:
Someone sneaking up behind you and pressing a knife against your throat, you don't know what they might do. Situational awareness might prevent this. It might not ever happen! On the other hand it might and what's so bad about being prepared for that situation???? Tell me. People aren't always going to attack you using an orthodox stance from the front. They aren't going to make themselves known, if they have a knife they aren't going to show it, unless they want to scare you.


I've practiced martial arts starting when I was 8 years old. I've also wrestled and been in a couple fights, who hasn't?

I don't think that a Krav Maga specialist wouldn't do great in a fight in PRIDE or the UFC for the same reason an MMA fighter wouldn't do great in a boxing match against a top contender. You're smart enough to figure out why.
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Old 05-29-2007, 09:17 PM   #18
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I don't think that a Krav Maga specialist would do great in a fight in PRIDE or the UFC for the same reason an MMA fighter wouldn't do great in a boxing match against a top contender. You're smart enough to figure out why.
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Old 05-30-2007, 10:51 AM   #19
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I had a similar discussion last week at dojo. If only biting and eye gouging were added to UFC rules,how would that chage MMA as it is?
The UFC wanted no part of the "Dog Brothers" they get very serious in their training.
For an event to be promotable, there has to be a fan base. The rules or lack of could have all the fighters tore up and unable to perform. Kind of like NFL w/0 pads or helmets.
To the best of my understanding KM is anything goes. To me that means weapons and multi attackers and any object you can bring to the fight!
Self defense usually has someone bringing a lot of energy to the fight,unlike sport w/the experienced cautious fighter being paiient to win. JMHO

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Old 05-30-2007, 01:32 PM   #20
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Some interesting takes on the 'street vs gym' discussion:

wfs: http://www.straightblastgym.com/street.htm
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