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Old 05-06-2012, 09:42 PM   #31
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It seems like there's a real relationship between cost and quality as with anything. Makes me wonder if I've been getting ripped off using products like muscle Pharms protein and gasparis myofusion. Chris, how would one tell the quality of ingredients in a protein? Other than price point?
Price point isn't necessary a determining factor in quality, although it plays a part.

For the average individual it is hard to tell beyond the obvious like results, how well the product mixes, do you get gas/feel bloated from its use etc. (although the bloating etc. isn't necessarily a market of quality).

I am not a big fan of Gaspari's products although the actual quality of the individual ingredients is likely ok. I think Muscle Pharm is a solid company and one to certainly consider.
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:46 AM   #32
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Thanks Chris, I will give nitrean a go, Im just trying to gain a little more knowledge . Youre an invaluable resource on these boards. To have a supplement manufacturer provide opinions and advice is a huge help to separate the hype from reality.

I may also give results a go. I'm currently using assault by muscle pharm. but that's more of a preworkout. Results is a creatine and beta alanine post workout correct? Are these compounds better absorbed post workout? Thanks
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:40 AM   #33
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Thanks Chris, I will give nitrean a go, Im just trying to gain a little more knowledge . Youre an invaluable resource on these boards. To have a supplement manufacturer provide opinions and advice is a huge help to separate the hype from reality.

I may also give results a go. I'm currently using assault by muscle pharm. but that's more of a preworkout. Results is a creatine and beta alanine post workout correct? Are these compounds better absorbed post workout? Thanks
I recommend RESULTS for PWO on training days primarily because of its dextrose content (and secondarily because of its HMB). The timing of creatine and Beta-Alanine use is not really a big deal in my opinion (daily use is the most important). That is actually one of the problems with the pre-workout products that contain creatine and or Beta-Alanine, if you don't take them daily you will never receive their full benefit.

Thank you for the complement. I would not go so far as to say invaluable, but I do like to contribute when possible.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:35 PM   #34
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I recommend RESULTS for PWO on training days primarily because of its dextrose content (and secondarily because of its HMB). The timing of creatine and Beta-Alanine use is not really a big deal in my opinion (daily use is the most important). That is actually one of the problems with the pre-workout products that contain creatine and or Beta-Alanine, if you don't take them daily you will never receive their full benefit.

Thank you for the complement. I would not go so far as to say invaluable, but I do like to contribute when possible.

So for Results, is it recommended to take on rest days as well? Also I noticed it has creatine in it, would you need to take any additional creatine?
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Old 05-07-2012, 06:25 PM   #35
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So for Results, is it recommended to take on rest days as well? Also I noticed it has creatine in it, would you need to take any additional creatine?
Yes, take it with a meal on off days. It provides 5g of quality creatine, you don't need more.
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:13 PM   #36
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Yes, take it with a meal on off days. It provides 5g of quality creatine, you don't need more.
Quick question Chris. Could a person take a tablespoon of say Leucine and swallow it with a a gulp of water and the body would digest it the same way as mixing it in water and drinking it? Reason I ask is I cant stand the taste of water mixed with Leucine so recently I've just been dumping a scoop of Leucine in my mouth and drinking a few gulps of water. I'm wondering if this has the same affect (I think it would but figured it'd be best to ask an expert).
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Old 05-07-2012, 08:43 PM   #37
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Quick question Chris. Could a person take a tablespoon of say Leucine and swallow it with a a gulp of water and the body would digest it the same way as mixing it in water and drinking it? Reason I ask is I cant stand the taste of water mixed with Leucine so recently I've just been dumping a scoop of Leucine in my mouth and drinking a few gulps of water. I'm wondering if this has the same affect (I think it would but figured it'd be best to ask an expert).
It doesn't matter, but you should really be taking a BCAA mix and not leucine by itself:

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Quick question Chris. Could a person take a tablespoon of say Leucine and swallow it with a a gulp of water and the body would digest it the same way as mixing it in water and drinking it? Reason I ask is I cant stand the taste of water mixed with Leucine so recently I've just been dumping a scoop of Leucine in my mouth and drinking a few gulps of water. I'm wondering if this has the same affect (I think it would but figured it'd be best to ask an expert).
Sure, that is just fine.

The concern about reducing blood levels of the other BCAA is really only a concern if you are protein deficient in some way.
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Sure, that is just fine.

The concern about reducing blood levels of the other BCAA is really only a concern if you are protein deficient in some way.
Are you saying there are more than enough plasma isoleucine and valine but not enough plasma leucine, during times it's recommended to take BCAAs?
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