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TUF 13 - Brock Lesnar and Junior Dos Santos
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Brock as a coach. Oh, my... I guess for the TV/entertainment value, this is good for the UFC... but seriously? And they're going to train welterweights -- where SKILL is going to be a huge factor in their fights... as opposed to SIZE, which is just about all Brock has in his arsenal. Yeah, he's quick (for his size), but it has been his sheer size and brute strength that won him his fights. ![]() |
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However, wrestling is a pretty small component of MMA -- useful things from wrestling that carry over to MMA are: takedowns, takedown defense, and maybe a little bit of ground control (but that can be quickly negated by a good BJJ artist). Wrestling does not have submissions, or submission defense and there is also no striking in wrestling. I dunno. ![]() |
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155- Frankie Edgar/Gray maynard- wreslters 170- GSP- Amazing Wrestling 185- Horrible Wrestler 205- Shogun- Decent wrestler Heavyweight- Cain- Wrestler Then if you look at who would give shogun and anderson fits, it would be a good wrestler, So I would say wrestling is a pretty big component of MMA, and in my opinion the best base for fighters starting out. That being said, I never understand why they dont have fights in the same weight class as the coaches on TUF. |
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I stand by my comments, here and above. I am mostly criticizing Brock as a coach for an MMA team, not wrestling in general. I think Brock is pretty one-dimensional, and the other factor he has that can't be coached -- SIZE -- is on his side, but it won't be on the side of welterweights on his team.
I did not say that wrestling is a bad foundation for MMA - in fact, I think it is essential. Unless both fighters are going to stand and throw for the entire fight, they better know how to shoot some takedowns, and defend takedowns/sprawl. Sure - there are some fantastic throws in Judo, and some BJJ folks can jump and pull guard on their opponents but that is rare, and most fights get to the ground with a single or double leg. Ground control is a big element of wrestling too - but that's about as far as wrestling will take you in MMA (other than conditioning -- which I think we'll all agree is needed, but I can't say a wrestler's conditioning is superior to others' because I just am not as familiar with the way others do their conditioning). I don't think there's a single wrestler out there who is comfortable on his back. I know my old wrestling coach forbade our entire team from sleeping on our backs because he didn't want us to ever be that close to being pinned. No joke. In fact, you see a lot of guys with strong wrestling backgrounds (and not much else) give up their backs pretty quickly when they're on the ground precisely because they do not want to be ON THEIR BACKS. Unless they can pull off an amazing escape, that is usually a terribly risky thing to do. |
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