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Old 08-16-2011, 04:37 PM   #21
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

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From Blair Morrison's games retrospective:

"The proof that this test of tests was balanced can be found in the top 10 finishers and their body types. Looking down the line you had Chris Spealer, Pat Barber, and Josh Bridges, 3 guys looking up at 57 with exceptional gymnastic skills and conditioning but also impressive strength. You also had Spencer Hendel, Jason Khalipa, and Matt Chan, 3 guys easily over 210 lb and extremely powerful. You also had Rich Froning, Zach Forrest, and Dan Bailey, athletes of medium height but with muscular thickness that screams CrossFit. Finally you had the leaner guys like myself, Graham Holmberg, and Ben Smith, rarely the strongest or the most skilled but always good enough to stay in the hunt. This was as balanced a top group as one could ask for and I think that speaks volumes about the programming."

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Hard to argue with his reasoning. If the programming is balanced, the best rise to the top regardless of their height/weight. I know people will always have issues with competitive programming, but it certainly appears that HQ did a pretty good job this year.

We all need to worry less about our theoretical genetic shortcomings relative to others and just train harder.
I think that sums it up pretty well. Weight classes just don't fit into the CF ethos.

I might support some exhibition events that heavily favor one discipline, though. For example you might have a side event where anyone who qualified for a regional could come compete in King Kong, or something. Might be fun if properly executed. Or maybe have side events where CFers could try their hand at things like stone loading, caber toss, etc.
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Old 08-16-2011, 07:28 PM   #22
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

I seriously doubt that anyone over 250lbs would ever win the games, or even place in the top 10. I'm not talking about smaller weight classes, just something like an over 250 category for the heavy weights. You just won't see anyone my size win or even qualify for the games, no matter how "balanced" the programming. Every time I go to an event I get "you should do more weight cuz you're strong." I tell them to strap some damn weight on their bodies and do some pull ups at my weight.
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:02 PM   #23
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

Being a smaller guy, there are two things I don't like about weight classes.
1.) Who would be the fittest man via CF standards? Classes would create multiple champions diluting the point of 1 major competition.

2.) Often times when there are weight classes, focus and fame go to the heavy weights (not always, but often). I can see a heavyweight getting more popularity response to lifting the heaviest dead as well as being able to do a handful of muscle ups and then going to a guy like Speal and say well muscle ups are easy for that little guy. I'm sure the hardcore fans would have a general appreciation of all classes, but if the sport is to grow like many American customs, there is a belief bigger is better and the general population may lean on the heavyweights.

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Old 08-17-2011, 11:33 AM   #24
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

I picture it more like they do races. I know it is by age division but could be done by weight instead. If everyone does the open then the elite are going to make the cut. If you don't make it out of the open you are done. But lets say once you take the elites out then look at weight divisions to rank the competitors. You still would have the "Fittest on Earth" or whatever but then others could compete as well. Very similar to the masters division. Is anyone comparing the masters champ to Rich?

After all that I still don't see it happening. Mostly because of the increase of competitors.

I don't think people would only watch the heavy weights. Although the heavy weight handstand walk would be fun to watch!
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Old 08-17-2011, 12:57 PM   #25
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

How about approaching it like grand tour bike races (like the Tour de France) do? Each stage of the race has a winner, complete with a podium ceremony. Some stages favor sprinters, some stages favor climbers. Each can have their moment in the spotlight. There is also the overall general classification leader, who might not win a single stage but has the lowest time for the whole race. In addition, there are competitions within the larger race. There is the king of the mountain, the best sprinter, best young rider.

The Crossfit Games could do something similiar and add to the interest. Maybe they could have a best clydesdale, best fly-weight, best young competitor, best body weight, biggest total, and the overall leader. Just like the bike races, give each one a special jersey for people to keep an eye on. Give each their moment in the spotlight.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:06 PM   #26
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

Okay, I think Rob Orlando's "Heavy *** Grace" video is about the best argument I can make for weight classes. I'd love to see a bunch of the bigger guys doing workouts like that, throwing around 250+ for max reps in 3 minutes and stuff like that. I'd also love to see some smaller guys going nuts on bodyweight stuff. I'm not saying that we need 10-20lb incremental divisions like wrestling or fighting. I'd say 3 would be plenty; we could have an Open division that anyone can compete in, but then also a sub-155 lightweight division and a 205+ heavyweight division (I'm not sure what the comparable weights for ladies would be).
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:35 AM   #27
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

Weight classes goes totally against what Crossfit competition is all about , doing whatever is thrown at you no matter what size or strength you are is one of the major things that makes the games exciting to compete in and watch. If you want separate throw-downs like a strength bias or bodyweight competition then sure they can be arranged but they are not The Crossfit Games.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:39 AM   #28
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

I like what I've seen in some 5k and 10k races...everyone competes together by gender, but there are sub-group winners and sometimes a subclass for the over-200# set, since those people aren't too common in competitive racing.

Those people don't get the recognition, since it's still an overall competition, but they do get to see where they fell in their peer group by age/gender and sometimes weight.

But for CF, I'd sooner see a subgroup by height than by weight...maybe that's just my bias as a tall, skinny guy. You could argue that a lot of weightlifting penalizes tall people, so we should get the special nod instead.
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Old 08-19-2011, 09:49 AM   #29
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Re: Next evolution for CrossFit

If weight classes go against Crossfit then so does age classes. I don't think it is to argue the fact of big guys vs little guys as much as it would be to increase the sport. If more people thought they had a chance during the open more people would compete. Even if it was just at their gym or garage. It also wouldn't detract from the elite competition. People would know that the winner of the elite division would be the fittest by Crossfit standards. And that would be the one to watch.

Personally I am hoping for the short fat old division!
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Old 08-19-2011, 12:51 PM   #30
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Actually Age is a HUGE factor in competitions - just look at those who competed - almost all the competitors are under 30. Someone did a great chart comparing age to scores for the open - eye opening to say the least.
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