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Old 09-05-2008, 09:02 AM   #1
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Duration of training adaptations

I know I've seen this somewhere recently, either on the boards, in Practical Programming, or in the Journal, but I can't turn it up with my searching, so rather than wait until I'm home and can look through my copy of PP, I'll throw the question out here.

What is the order at which various training adaptations (i.e., strength, cario/resp endurance, technique, power, muscular stamina) are gained and lost, when training? I've seen these laid out for programming purposes where you first train strength, then other things like endurance, and finishing up with technique. Can anybody recite these for me and provide a reference?

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Old 09-05-2008, 09:19 AM   #2
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Re: Duration of training adaptations

This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I found this on the CFE site. It's a graph that shows Maximal Voluntary Contraction, Cross sectional area, and electromyography of muscles during 60 days of training and 40 days of de-training. Pretty interesting.

http://www.crossfitendurance.com/abo...cles.php?id=44 (it's wfs).
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Old 09-06-2008, 04:26 AM   #3
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Re: Duration of training adaptations

So much for instant gratification. Went home and looked it up in PP. In their discussion of the building blocks model of preparing the advanced trainee for competition or competition season, they recommend starting with the most persistent adaptations and moving to the ones lost the quickest (obviously focusing on those adaptations that are most important to the relevent sport). Here's what I was looking for. In order of most to least persistent.

Hypertropy->strength->muscular endurance->power->techniuqe->cardiovascular endurance

Interesting article, Shane. Thanks for the link.
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Old 09-08-2008, 05:47 PM   #4
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Re: Duration of training adaptations

wouldn't and shouldn't this be individually specific?
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wouldn't and shouldn't this be individually specific?

If the individual isn't of the species homo sapien possibly else no.
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Re: Duration of training adaptations

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This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I found this on the CFE site. It's a graph that shows Maximal Voluntary Contraction, Cross sectional area, and electromyography of muscles during 60 days of training and 40 days of de-training. Pretty interesting.

http://www.crossfitendurance.com/abo...cles.php?id=44 (it's wfs).
Very nice find. Thanks for posting that. I tend to be somewhat anti-CFE... going to have to check them out a little more I suppose.

Good, good stuff.
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Old 09-08-2008, 07:16 PM   #7
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Re: Duration of training adaptations

agreed. good find. thanks.
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Very nice find. Thanks for posting that. I tend to be somewhat anti-CFE...
Is it their goals or training methods that you disagree with?
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Is it their goals or training methods that you disagree with?
It's kind of both. I tend to be in the whole "If you're not an ultra marathoner or other extremely long distance participant... what are you thinking?" camp.

Obviously a solid resource for those who have built a long work capacity, but to think that people can do CFE on a regular basis and follow a 3/1 mainpage schedule is asking for burnout if you ask me.

Enough people aren't addressing overreaching/overtraining and other recovery needs as it is... yet they're turning to CFE to just get a little more.

I speak from experience on the overreaching.

CFE is, in my mind more of an SPP approach. One or the other in my opinion.

Too many people want their work capacity through the roof right now.

Just my opinion on it. Many disagree with me.
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So much for instant gratification. Went home and looked it up in PP. In their discussion of the building blocks model of preparing the advanced trainee for competition or competition season, they recommend starting with the most persistent adaptations and moving to the ones lost the quickest (obviously focusing on those adaptations that are most important to the relevent sport). Here's what I was looking for. In order of most to least persistent.

Hypertropy->strength->muscular endurance->power->techniuqe->cardiovascular endurance

Interesting article, Shane. Thanks for the link.
I like it. All I'd add is that technique can sort of move around this scale, depending.

Also, somewhat less reliably, these tend to move from "hardest" to "easiest" to acquire from left to right, and even less reliably, from "most" to "least" in terms of maximum capacity for adaptation.

"Cardiovascular endurance" is what we call metcon and what CF focuses on.
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