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Old 09-19-2013, 08:55 PM   #21
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How can you really say that? What if there was actual proof? This idea has not been tested nearly enough even if the answer is still the one you want. This is the difference between a science degree and recreationally reading studies. You ought to question every thing.
the carb statement before led him to the next statement, its not possible without carbs if you understand A&P
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Old 09-20-2013, 04:32 AM   #22
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What is not possible? Diabetes? You are saying it is not possible to have diabetes mellitus if you don't eat carbohydrates? If you are right you just informed researchers what they have been missing all along and we can close the book on DM2 research.

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Old 09-20-2013, 05:18 AM   #23
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I'd be genuinely curious to see a study that shows a carb-restricted diet causing diabetes.
Low carbohydrate diets must be high in fat if energy needs are to be met. High fat diets are associated with an increased risk of weight gain, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers.

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Old 09-20-2013, 07:28 AM   #24
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Bill doesn't know jack about a&p, that is for sure. Doesn't know anything about guns either.
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Bill doesn't know jack about a&p, that is for sure. Doesn't know anything about guns either.
My mind is indeed feeble. Not sure how my biceps got brought into this though



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Old 09-20-2013, 07:32 AM   #26
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Low carbohydrate diets must be high in fat if energy needs are to be met. High fat diets are associated with an increased risk of weight gain, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers.

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My mind is indeed feeble. Not sure how my biceps got brought into this though



If you knew anything about anatomy you would understand.
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Old 09-20-2013, 10:36 AM   #28
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Low carbohydrate diets must be high in fat if energy needs are to be met. High fat diets are associated with an increased risk of weight gain, type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers.
Well this turned sour pretty quickly. But to your point, Darryl, I'd argue that high-fat diets and low-carb diets are different things that shouldn't be compared, although you make a good point. So maybe we should be studying low-carb-high-fat diets, and see if those cause diabetes.

Also, I'm with Blaise on this... diabetes (type II) is a condition relating to insulin resistance. Unless you've got some genetic mutation, proteins and fats cause very little insulin secretion. There's very little chance of causing insulin resistance when you don't have much insulin to begin with.

Bill, nice one with the biceps comment. Andrew, good one, I think I actually laughed out loud.
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I think the point is, while it is fun to blame carbohydrates for insulin resistance the discussion is and has always been broader than is being entertained here. 1 lb of sugar and 1 lb of black beans are not equivalent. Over eating and weight gain have an effect on insulin sensitivity too. There are multiple dynamic and some of the users here with their limited understanding want to place this in a nice little box and wrap it in shiny paper. It just isn't that simple. If it was they would be done researching this. There is a reason they list "risk factors" not "causes".

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Over eating and weight gain have an effect on insulin sensitivity too.
This is where I follow Peter Attia over conventional wisdom. What if it's actually the other way around, that insulin sensitivity comes first, then the over eating and weight gain follow? I'm not saying it's right, but it's certainly something to think about.
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