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Old 07-27-2010, 11:07 AM   #41
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Re: When to stop increasing weight on squats, deadlifts, bench, etc?

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I'm surprised there aren't more competitiors with a 700 lb deadlift.
Me too actually.

In terms of overall fitness, it is hard to beat the DL.
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Old 07-27-2010, 12:48 PM   #42
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Re: When to stop increasing weight on squats, deadlifts, bench, etc?

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Okay, a few statistics (yes, I'm bored)

From the page that was linked to, I derived the following for the men:

Average bodyweight: 187,7
Average DL: 474,3
Average Squat: 367,3
Average DL/BW: 2,54
Average Squat/BW: 2,02

21 out of 44 have a DL greater than 2,5xBW
24 out of 42 have a squat greater than 2xBW

(Note - a few datapoints are missing)

Seems like 2,5xBW DL and 2xBW squat is sufficient to be a games competitor.

I would have attached the spreadsheed but the interweb will not let me upload it
All that matters for the Games is absolute strength. Period. Speal has to have much greater than a 2.5 x BW DL and 2 x BW squat. Khalipa doesn't.

I'm pretty damn skinny.
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Old 07-27-2010, 01:38 PM   #43
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Re: When to stop increasing weight on squats, deadlifts, bench, etc?

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All that matters for the Games is absolute strength. Period. Speal has to have much greater than a 2.5 x BW DL and 2 x BW squat. Khalipa doesn't.

I'm pretty damn skinny.
absolutely right. for lifts BW/DL ratio doesn't matter. when WOD calls for 315# DL x7 you better have 1RM of 400+ or even 500+. Lifts are usually balanced out by BW exercises though and it seems like 210 is the top BW for BW exercises. Taking 190 as the best weight accross all domains optimal lifts in terms of BW:
2.5*BW DL=475
2*BW BS=380
1*BW SP=190

DL looks OK, but BS and SP are low. I would rather see
BS = 420, SP=210 at least.
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Old 07-27-2010, 02:03 PM   #44
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Re: When to stop increasing weight on squats, deadlifts, bench, etc?

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All that matters for the Games is absolute strength. Period. Speal has to have much greater than a 2.5 x BW DL and 2 x BW squat. Khalipa doesn't.

I'm pretty damn skinny.
I agree. Just wanted to give the 2,5xbw and 2xbw discussion some more perspective, since somebody mentioned that 2,5 and 2 was low-ish and serious crossfitters have higher ratios.

I'm kinda surprised the ratios aren't higher though.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:13 AM   #45
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Re: When to stop increasing weight on squats, deadlifts, bench, etc?

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Taking 190 as the best weight accross all domains
This statement is taken somewhat out of context but I would have to agree that the 180-190 pound range seems optimal for just about anything. Take Rybakou (WR 85kg SN) guy throws 420# over his head thats crazy at 187 considering the world record for a 105+ lifter is 468# and Rezzadeh is I believe 328#. I find Rybakou far more impressive. When I was 183 roughly I could deadlift 425, Fran 3:41 and 30 MU's in 5:27 and 51 Kipping pull ups. These are not stellar numbers but I was happy and I could move. I weigh around 197-200 now and my deadlift is up but everything else is down. You have to live where you are happy. I kind of like being bigger and strong I still have a 4 minute Fran and decent pull ups. But if I was competing I would say 180-190 range is best.
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:11 PM   #46
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I weigh around 197-200 now and my deadlift is up but everything else is down. You have to live where you are happy. I kind of like being bigger and strong I still have a 4 minute Fran and decent pull ups. But if I was competing I would say 180-190 range is best.
That to me is the deal with getting stronger as I alluded to earlier. At some point it cuts against everything else you're doing. I think you can continue to be fast and explosive at higher bodyweights, but your stamina will suffer greatly. I also agree that 210 is probably about as high as you could go to handle the bodyweight movements effectively. It's just awfully hard to be bigger and do the type conditioning work needed to be great at CF comps.

Back to track, you just never see anyone over 400m have much any size at all. If you want to continue to excel at everything your lifts just can't keep going up forever and maintain your associated fitness.
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:18 PM   #47
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Re: When to stop increasing weight on squats, deadlifts, bench, etc?

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I'm surprised there aren't more competitiors with a 700 lb deadlift.
I see what you did thar
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Old 08-05-2010, 11:59 PM   #48
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definitions of serious CFitter... someone who wold not stop at 2.5 BW DL
Haha I said I would be happy and cut back on strength training when I hit 400 DL 215 Shoulder Press and 350x3 on the squat 225 for C&J and 165 for the SN.

I now DL 465
SP 225x3
Squat 365x5
C&J 315
Snatch 205

Once the bug hits you just keep going and your old mark is no longer good enough haha
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Old 08-06-2010, 06:34 AM   #49
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That's impressive that you are hitting 205 on the snatch against 365*5 in the squat.
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Old 08-06-2010, 11:53 AM   #50
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My squat is horrible always has been. I have thought about doing Smolov but just have not for some reason. I think its mental I hate to squat, but I love DL and SN. If I could only do two things fitness wise the rest of my life it would be those two movements.

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