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Old 03-18-2009, 04:50 AM   #1
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Strong sports people?

Hey guys, I got a question:

Just wanted to get some opinions on where athletes from sports that are not overly strength based eg. BJJ, other combat sports, tennis, basketball etc would typically fall within the Strength Standards? The Standards seem to indicate that a certain level of specialisation is required to get beyond the intermediate level, but I would assume that many athletes from non strength based sports simply wouldn't have the time or spare energy in their schedules to try and say get up to or past 2xbw DL etc.

So should athletes from these types of sports be satisfied with achieving 'intermediate' strength levels? Would it be possible to go higher than this without blowing other work like skills, other fitness components, strategy, etc.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated
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Old 03-18-2009, 06:46 AM   #2
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Re: Strong sports people?

Well, about a year ago Ross Enamait had somewhere between an advanced and elite deadlift by those standards. Since most athletes in those sports aren't very big I doubt it would be very hard for them to get up over a 2x bodyweight deadlift. That took me a few weeks of not very hard training when I started lifting at a bodyweight 70 kg.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:23 AM   #3
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Re: Strong sports people?

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Hey guys, I got a question:

Just wanted to get some opinions on where athletes from sports that are not overly strength based eg. BJJ, other combat sports, tennis, basketball etc would typically fall within the Strength Standards? The Standards seem to indicate that a certain level of specialisation is required to get beyond the intermediate level, but I would assume that many athletes from non strength based sports simply wouldn't have the time or spare energy in their schedules to try and say get up to or past 2xbw DL etc.

So should athletes from these types of sports be satisfied with achieving 'intermediate' strength levels? Would it be possible to go higher than this without blowing other work like skills, other fitness components, strategy, etc.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated
I that your question is dependent on what level the athlete is playing. A college, professional, or Olympic athlete will obviously need a higher strength level than a high school athlete.

I work with high school lacrosse players, so I'd say that the intermediate strength levels are sufficient for them. Much more of our time is spent on skill drills and conditioning.

And it is definitely possible to go higher without sacrificing other things. It's just a matter of switching strength programming, not your whole focus on training. You don't have to spend more time in the gym to keep hitting PRs.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:45 AM   #4
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Re: Strong sports people?

I do BJJ and quite honestly...strength always helps. Though the art is set up for technique (and it is King) I would always like to be stronger and facing someone of the exact experience level.

BJJ was not my first sport though and I come from strength sports.

Tiger woods is pretty strong....and golf involves not much needed...so I would say strenght is always valuable.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:36 AM   #5
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Re: Strong sports people?

More strength is always valuable but how much so will depend on the sport (and who you ask).

As a personal example, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt me to have m deadlift higher. However, as a climber I don't think it's worth investing much of a finite supply of training time in getting it beyond 2*bw.

It sounds almost like you're looking for a set of strength standards applied to each sport?
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:12 PM   #6
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Re: Strong sports people?

My college wrestling coach used to say that when two equally skilled wrestlers compete, the winner will usually be the stronger one.
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:17 PM   #7
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My college wrestling coach used to say that when two equally skilled wrestlers compete, the winner will usually be the stronger one.
That's my experience with aikido as well. I can throw much larger people, but I don't have much room for error. I have to get everything right. Stronger people can push their way through errors in technique.

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Old 03-18-2009, 03:02 PM   #8
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Technique is the most efficient application of strength. The more of one you have, the less you need of the other. Having both is the best.
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:24 PM   #9
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Re: Strong sports people?

In most ball sports or ball/implement sports like tennis, golf, baseball, basketball, football, it's all about the productive application of strength through technique, power, speed, etc. Take a look at the elites in any given sport and it will give you a good idea of how strength work should be balanced with skill work.

LeBron could probably put up some serious lifting numbers if he worked on it, but it's just not necessary. He's strong enough and he applies his strength very productively thanks to superior balance, agility, and power.

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal aren't breaking the bank when it comes to raw strength, but they apply what they have so well to their serves and groundstrokes that it doesn't matter. They get more bang for their buck practicing backhands and volleys. Andy Roddick actually dropped 20 pounds for the Australian Open and played some of the best tennis of his career.

Obviously, wrestling, combat sports and the offensive line in football are a different story but for most ball sports, going beyond an intermediate strength level really isn't necessary.
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Old 03-18-2009, 05:14 PM   #10
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Re: Strong sports people?

With elite level athletes in any sport, you would be surprised by how they strong they are. I've met figure skaters who could squat 2xbw.
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