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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
1. How long did you do SS?
2. How much weight did you gain? 3. How did this weight break down muscle/body fat wise? 3a. How did you measure this? 4. What improvement did you see in your lifts? 5. How long did your workouts take near the end of your SS program? 6. Is there anything you would do differently if you tried SS or a similar program again? 1. Just finished week 8 2. As of today I gained about 20# (up to 250). I think I added about 10#'s in the last 2 weeks due to my "holiday season diet" I did not do GOMAD -although I probably drink 36oz of milk a day. 3. Probably 15# fat and 5# muscle 3a. Guessed/mirror 4. CFT of 1005 a month before starting (took 3 weeks off after). This week I started to stall, but I hit BS 3x360#, SP 3x5 145#, DL 3x445#. I think I will officially stall within the next 3 weeks. I will rest a few days, scale back 5-10% and push for more gains for a few more weeks. Once I stall a second time, I will rest and total again sometime in February and I think I will hit 1085-1100. 5. 90-120 minutes (total time at the gym, including warm-up and foam rolling at the end (and between squat sets)). 6. I would not use it as an excuse to eat whatever I wanted, as weight gain was not one of my goals. I would also consider using a different program (intermediate or Texas perhaps). Here is what I am doing now: Mon: Squat 3x5 Floor Press 3x5 Weighted Pullups Tue: Strongman training (stopped 7th week) Wed: Front Squat 3x3 Shoulder Press 3x5 Bent over Rows/Clean Shrugs 5x5 or so Pullups Thr: Rest Fri: Squat 1x3 Floor Press 1x3 Deadlift 1x3 Max Pullups Sat/Sun: Rest or Muay Thai |
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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
1. Did SS for about 2.5 months with a week and half off due to elbow pain.
2. Gained about 8-9lbs via scale measurement for a total of 164lbs. 3. All muscle, lost a smidge of definition but nothing noticable. Used the mirror. 4. Lifts: Squat = 135 to 255lb Deadlift = 135 to 265lb Bench = 150 to 197lb Press = 105 to 132lb Powerclean = 125 to 165lb Although to be fair, I started off very conservatively. I feel like I only truly gained about 20 pounds of strength in the squat, 25lbs in the deadlift, 10lbs in the bench, 15lbs in the press, and about 10 lbs in the powerclean. 5. Workouts took about an hour towards the end. 6. Would prolly try to eat more. I found that drinking the milk was easy as long as I wasn't busy that day, but I'm not a huge eater, and the milk really supressed my appetite. I never did eat the recommended 4500+ calories per day. * Also, I did CF for about 9 months before SS (with only 70lbs of weight for my bar), and I swear I have been bigger from CF. I realize I never ate as much as I should have. But I started to get bored, and never felt like the gains were as extensive as they should have been. After analyzing my performance numbers, I think at this point I should have moved on to an intermediate program anyhow and I think that CF put me at the end of the SS beginner program. So my results were less than could have been if I'd never worked out before. About a month later of no working out, all my weight gain is gone. About to start CF again, had way more fun with that. |
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Now my question: Various resources urge people to start off VERY conservatively in their lifts, but it seems that for quite short cycles (say 2 months) this is less important as linear progress does not need to be maintained for THAT long. So, if you were going to do 8 weeks of this program, with the GOMAD, how soon after you start do you want to hit your current max 3x5 squat weight? And do you guys recommend starting with lower weight and making big (10-15#) weight jumps, or start at a higher weight and make more conservative gains (5#)? I have seen people here doing both styles, so figure this will be a good place for input. |
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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
1) 2.5 months
2) 30 lbs. 165-195 lbs. I'm 5'8". 3) Not sure, but some fat, some muscle, probably mostly muscle. I gained 30 lbs but I think I only grew 1-2" in the waist. 3a) Mirror/pants fits 4) 5RM's: Squat- 135 lbs- 265 lbs Press- 65 lbs- 125 lbs Bench- 125 lbs- 180 lbs Deadlift- 250 lbs- 315 lbs I didn't really do the clean a whole lot, but now I'm doing it and 110 lbs felt pretty damn easy last time. I'm hoping that cleaning consistently will lead to more gains in my other lifts. 5) 1.5-2 hours. 6) After basically taking November off, I've been on it again since Dec. 5 and now I'm not doing GOMAD anymore. My first couple weeks back I gained about 10 lbs and noticed that it seemed to be mostly fat, and since I'm already heavy enough, I've cut down to about 1/2 Gallon a day and I'm eating a little less. Hopefully I'll slim down a little and still be able to recover. Also, really make sure you work extra hard on your form. I only got up to 125 lbs on my first go-round with my press before it got difficult. Now, on my second try, I think I've improved my form significantly, and 120 felt easy today. I think I still have a ways to go with linear progress on the press and bench. |
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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
Hey Ryan,
I did SS for about 5-6 (pretty sure it was 6) weeks with the GOMAD and gained 30 pounds. I started at 135ish 5'10 and ended up at 165. I've cleaned up my diet since then and am now at a solid 160. I honestly didn't gain too much fat, abs are still pretty defined. Much to the dismay of my mother, my waist did go from a size 29 to a 34. I haven't done any 1RM testing yet, but my 3x5 squats went from 185 to 225. DL went from 225 3x5 to 260. By then end my workouts were about and hour long but I was working out with my father so there was a good amount of talking going on... =] If (and by if I mean when) I do SS again I will make sure that I do a good amount more prehab work on my problematic wrists (><) and probably have done more pullups. |
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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
1. How long did you do SS?
7 weeks 2. How much weight did you gain? About 30 lbs. See below for more details 3. How did this weight break down muscle/body fat wise? Don’t know. Half and half? Maybe 10 lbs muscle 15 lbs fat and 5 lbs water? I was never fat as can be seen in the picture linked below. 3a. How did you measure this? Total guess. 4. What improvement did you see in your lifts? Lots on squats and deadlift, fair bit in others: See below. 5. How long did your workouts take near the end of your SS program? Hour and a half or so. 6. Is there anything you would do differently if you tried SS or a similar program again? I’d drop the weight back properly after a stall instead of trying to power through. Maybe eat more if I could stomach it. Pretty much nothing else. I’m quite happy with the results. Program info Did Rippetoe’s straight A day B day rotation. Three days a week switching between A days (squat, bench, deadlift) and B days (squat, shoulder press, power clean). Only deviation from basic program was the addition of 3 sets of weighted pull-ups or chinups after A days. I kept rigidly to that program for 22 workouts: about 7 weeks. I used 5 lbs increases for all lifts but deadlift, which I used almost all 10 lb jumps for. Lifts Tons of progress on Squats. Made it all the way to end without stalling, managing to improve my max 3x5 weight by 85 lbs in 7 weeks! Upper body lifting gains were more modest, but not shabby at all. Format for the data is as follows: Starting work set weight listed then [previous MAXIMUM work set weight is in brackets] ===>heaviest work set weight that I missed no more than 1 repetition with Back Squat: 165 [205] ===> 290 Shoulder Press: 105 [115] ===> 145 Bench Press: 160 [170 ?] ===> 195 Power Clean: 140 [155 ?] ===> 185 Deadlift: 245 [275 ?] ====> 355 Pullups stayed approximately the same, which is excellent: got 16 strict pull-ups after Workout #1, got 17 strict pull-ups after workout #21 despite being about 30 lbs heavier. 1RM lifts did not go up as much as the 5 rep sets (probably not surprising as doing 5 rep sets 3 days a week leads to a high level of neurological adaptation) but I’m still happy with them. My 1RM improvements were as follows: Squat 265 ===> 315 Press 140 ===> 160 Deadlift 325 ===> 385 Bench Press ~195 ===> 225 CrossFit Total score: 730 ===> 860 Bodyweight Gained around 30 pounds in 7 weeks. Went from lowest weight of 169 to highest weight of 201, all measured on the bathroom scale after waking up. Clearly put on fat but it went on quite evenly and I was very happy with the weight gain. This is partly attributable to, I’m sure, a suitable body type but I also attribute it at least somewhat to keeping the diet cleaner. See before and after bipanel picture located below if you want to see how my upper body changed. A lot of muscle was added to my legs and butt and, I think, my back, though I don’t have pictures to show this well. Classic bathroom mirror shot, haha: http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m...pedsmaller.jpg (WFS only if a shirtless young man is acceptable at your workplace) Also: Easy come easy go. I’ve been off the 5000 kcal and back on CrossFit for about 2 weeks and have weighed in as low as 191 in the morning. Diet One gallon of whole milk per day, which I typically had no problems either consuming or digesting. Solid food was pretty clean eating. Lots of mixed nuts, fair bit of meat, fruit. Few refined carbohydrates, little refined sugar, and little processed food. As I was getting 260 grams of protein a day from food I took no protein supplementation. I used no shakes, no powders, and no supplements of any kind besides fish oil and an occasional multivitamin. I did get sick of eating after 5 to 6 weeks and started eating less clean by the end (some McDonalds sausage biscuit sandwiches, as well as a couple of frozen pizza’s, did find their way into my stomach, haha). Tracked my eating with fitday 41 out of 49 days. Data gathered from fitday with some educated guesses about untracked days is shown below (tough to track a gorging at a Chinese buffet, haha, though I do know there was way more carbohydrates than usual). All values somewhat approximate. I’d guess a possible error of 5 to 10%. AVERAGE DAILY VALUES: Calories: 5260 Fat consumption: 304 grams. 2730 calories. 52% of total calories. Carbohydrate consumption: 370 grams. 1480 calories. 28% of total calories. Protein consumption: 262 grams. 1050 calories. 20% of total. Carbohydrates from grains (rice, bread, pasta, etc): ~75 grams. 6% total calories Carbohydrates from refined added sugar (ex: sugar in ice cream): ~24 grams. 2% of total calories Measurements Flexed Thigh: 22” ====> 24.75” (legs are definitely more jacked now, and some of my pants are now very tight around the thighs) Neck: 15” ====> 16” (shirt collars got uncomfortable) Flexed arm: 13” ====> 14.25” Flexed chest: 40.5 ====> 43 (I think my lats may have swelled more than pecs) Stomach measured around belly button: 30.5 ====> 34.5 (I think my abs got thicker in addition to the fat added) Waist: ~31 ====> 33.5 (pants definitely too tight for comfort near the end) Comments on program Rippetoe knows his stuff. The program worked great. I never stalled on squats, which blows my mind. I can’t believe I did 3x5 squats at 290 my last workout! I stalled a little right at the end on shoulder press and I stalled HARD on benchpress but that was partly because I didn’t follow the prescription (i.e. instead of dropping back in weight after the initial failed workout I tried to redo it and just power through. Epic fail. Oh well). If I’d have done more weeks I’d have dropped back on both upper body lifts 10 or 15 lbs and then climbed back up. I’d have also reset squats a little as my form was starting to deteriorate. Other observations: I was most sore in my chest the week I failed to make any improvement. I also started stalling in my lifts shortly after my weight gain slowed. If I’d upped the calories from 5k to 6 or 7 would I have gotten 5 or 10 lbs more on my upper body lifts? Hmm. |
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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
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2. 20 pounds half of it was fat (I added only a 10 min row and no wods MISTAKE. I should have added at least two wods after 3 weeks. 3. mirror and past experience 4. three weeks in my 1RM became my 5RM 5. about an hour 6. Add the wods during week 3. Add chins/pulls right up front (my weakness) Would have only did the squat twice a week after week 3. I'm older and the knees started becoming a problem as the weight got up there (Rip suggested this and I didn't do it...tsk tsk tsk) I think I could have continued with the program for three to five more weeks if I had done the above and made more gains. |
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![]() 1. How long did you do SS?
2. How much weight did you gain? 3. How did this weight break down muscle/body fat wise? 3a. How did you measure this? 4. What improvement did you see in your lifts? 5. How long did your workouts take near the end of your SS program? 6. Is there anything you would do differently if you tried SS or a similar program again? 1. 6 months (still doing it) 2. 20# (225-245) 3. Pretty even split 3a. Guess 4: Work sets x5 squat 135 - 265 bench 175 - 250 deadlift 315 - 412 press 95 - 150 chin/pullus: 11/15 stayed about the same 5. 75 min. + 6. More attention to detail in diet. I basically just eat a lot and try to get enough protein. M/41/6'3"/245# |
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Re: Questions to all who have done Starting Strength+GOMAD
Thanks for all the info. As someone looking to do a SS cycle this is some very valuable stuff.
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