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Old 09-28-2009, 06:13 PM   #241
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

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1309 at a body weight of 193. 472 squat, 244 press, 593 deadlift. This is up from 1274 last time and I weighed 15 pounds more then. No belt used in any lift.

Been trying to hit 1300 for a couple years.

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Nice work..my box totals Friday, I hope to go over 1300.
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Old 09-28-2009, 07:46 PM   #242
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

Just barely made it here!

Shoulder Press:165
Squat: (most recent max): 375
Deadlift:485

Total: 1025

At a body weight of 185.
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Old 09-30-2009, 10:36 AM   #243
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

How about a 5x BW CFTotal? That way, 100 lb girls can shoot for 500 lbs and still stand tall.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:28 PM   #244
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

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How about a 5x BW CFTotal? That way, 100 lb girls can shoot for 500 lbs and still stand tall.
5x is a good total, mine is 5.65 x bw so that would be a good bench mark.

Rob Orlando's is 6.71 based on the example above (1309 @ 195)
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:47 PM   #245
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

I hit 1035 in July:
squat - 385 (no spotter, didn't want to chance going higher)
press - 195
dl - 455 pr
@ bw approx. 185

last week 1020:
squat - 405 with a spotter
press - 200 pr
dl - 415 (got 460 moving but couldn't finish then called it a day)
@ bw approx. 179

shooting for 1100 by year-end or 1st quarter 2010!
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Old 09-30-2009, 02:17 PM   #246
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

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How about a 5x BW CFTotal? That way, 100 lb girls can shoot for 500 lbs and still stand tall.
I would think 500# for women would not nearly be a big enough CFT

There are several women at my box with CFTs over 500#, and not nearly as many men with CFTs over 1,000#.

Given that the Rx weight scale for women is about 70% of what it is for men (Fran's weight is 95/65#, Grace is 135/95, etc.), I'd say 700# would be the weight to shoot for if you are a lady... 200# or 100# lady doesn't matter... just like being a 150# or 250# man doesn't matter for the 1,000# CFT.

What would that look like? Probably 250# Squat, 125# Press and 325# Dead

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Old 10-01-2009, 07:30 PM   #247
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

I'm coming....squatted 405 the other day. DL is 415....my press sucks though due to a very old shoulder thing, so I need to beef that up a little and I'm there.
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:35 PM   #248
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

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I'm coming....squatted 405 the other day. DL is 415....my press sucks though due to a very old shoulder thing, so I need to beef that up a little and I'm there.
I'm doing some physical therapy right now to fix up a hand full of things(feet, knee, glut, and chest/shoulder). My totals and general lifting will be better after. Great to have ins. to pay for this.
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Old 10-02-2009, 05:00 PM   #249
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Re: 1000lbs club CrossFit Total

CRossfit Knoxville 1 year annv Total Party
500 sq
225 press
600 dl
1325 total @ 224 bw

we also had a 1100, 1010, & 1000 totals.

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Old 10-03-2009, 08:09 AM   #250
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I'm still struggling to understand why there is nothing in the CFT (and other areas) to better translate the achievement of a particular lift to other weight classes and between genders.

Not translating at all seems unsatisfactory for the reason Kurt brings up-- what's the equivalent achievement for women?

Translating by a straight ratio of bodyweight is too simplistic. Human physiology simply doesn't work that way. A 3BW deadlift for a lighter guy is very impressive, whereas a 3BW deadlift for a heavier guy is approaching a world record.

It seems to me the translation formulas employed in powerlifting is perhaps worth borrowing in CrossFit. The idea behind these translation formulas is to look at the lifts of many high end athletes according to bodyweight, gender and sometimes age. These are plotted, a curve is fitted to the data, and then a resulting formula is derived to allow what is high end performance to be translated between weights and gender.

One such attempt at a formula is called the Wilks coefficient. The full details of the formula are pretty easily available via a google search. For the moderately mathy types, it is interesting to note is the formula is a 5th degree polynomial equation. So the data seems to indicate a realistic translation is hardly just a straight constant multiplier by bodyweight.


If you plug in a 1000 lb CFT for a 175lb male, you end up with a Wilks total of ~310.

What that number means isn't terribly important, but if you need a sense for scale: if this were a powerlifting total (bench instead of ohp), a 400+ Wilks in a raw meet may get you an invitation to Nationals. A middle to upper 300s Wilks would get you on the list as an alternate. In the example above, suppose our 175lb male got his 1000 CFT via 400 sq + 150 ohp + 450 dl. Let's suppose he has a 225 bench. That would put his Wilks powerlifting total at 333, which is perhaps good enough to be an alternate at the Nationals. Really not bad!

Suppose we then take the CFT achievement goal to be a 310 Wilks total, rather than a straight 1000 total. If we trust Wilks and use it to compare a Wilks-adjusted total for 1000lbs across weights and genders, we can see how it skews:

(Apologies on the dense formatting - if there's a pre or code markup to preserve spaces, I can't seem to find it....)

Wgt Men Women
100 518.15 625.59
110 465.16 583.63
120 424.72 545.71
130 393.09 512.57
140 367.89 484.22
150 347.52 460.33
160 330.87 440.4
170 317.15 423.94
180 305.78 410.46
190 296.31 399.5
200 288.41 390.66
210 281.81 383.56
220 276.28 377.89
230 271.66 373.33
240 267.8 369.63
250 264.57 366.53
260 261.86 363.85
270 259.59 361.41
280 257.66 359.09
290 256.02 356.81
300 254.58 354.58


So we see if you're a 240lb male, a 1000+ CFT is hardly as big a deal as it would be if you are a 160lb male, and neither would be freakishly awesome as a 150lb female doing the same.

What if we then kept the Wilks total more or less constant at breaking 310, and then varied the lift weight for men and for women to see what each weight would need to achieve to do the equivalent of our 175lb male hitting a 1000lb CFT?


CFT Weight Men-Wilks
600 100 310.89
668 110 310.73
730 120 310.05
790 130 310.54
845 140 310.87
893 150 310.34
938 160 310.36
978 170 310.17
1015 180 310.37
1048 190 310.54
1078 200 310.91
1103 210 310.83
1123 220 310.27
1143 230 310.51
1160 240 310.65
1175 250 310.87
1185 260 310.31
1195 270 310.21
1205 280 310.49
1213 290 310.55
1220 300 310.59


CFT Weight Women-Wilks
464 90 310.68
496 100 310.29
532 110 310.49
569 120 310.51
605 130 310.11
642 140 310.87
675 150 310.72
705 160 310.48
733 170 310.75
757 180 310.72
776 190 310.01
795 200 310.57
810 210 310.69
822 220 310.62


So for a Wilks-adjusted CFT, a 260lb male would need to total 1185, whereas a 150lb male would need a 893 total. A 100lb woman would need a 496 total, whereas a 160lb woman would need 705.

If this is of interest to anyone, it's not difficult to make a custom spreadsheet formula to make these calculations easy. If anyone is interested and uses Open Office, I would be happy to share my version of this to save you the trouble.


Anyone agree with this approach? Disagree?

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