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Old 01-05-2011, 03:20 PM   #91
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Re: Rhabdo... 4 days after Rhabdo. URGENT

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Confirmed Rhabdo. Friends kidneys are fine , liver might be in trouble.
Does this mean permanent muscle loss!? What kind of rehabilitation is done??? What diet should be adhered to???
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As for hypotheticals, the OP seems to be about someone in exactly the situation I described: new Crossfitter victimized by poor programming.

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Nope...still hypothetical...at least for now. How did you glean any circumstantial info from the post?
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:36 PM   #92
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Yes, and it works both ways...trainer and client.
In response to that, I'll give you this. Since I can't word it any better myself:

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I think it is totally, absolutely reasonable to for a fresh-off-the-street gym-goer with little prior workout or S&C experience to expect their $200/month coaches to not know what they're talking about. I have made it my policy that before going to a mechanic I take a few automotive classes and I am currently in the process of studying for my MCATs and catching up on a few pre-req classes as I refuse to go to a doctor without my own medical degree. This is because it is my responsibility as a consumer to know all of this information before I pay someone else to give it to me. Besides, there is so much accurate information floating around in our media and general society that anybody who doesn't know about rhabdo and its risks is probably stupid.

As for revealing conditions, I am pretty sure if a client does not mention in their waiver the phrase "High-rep GHDs make me predisposed to rhabdo" as a medical condition they're legally responsible for any damage that comes to them as a result.
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:51 PM   #93
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In response to that, I'll give you this. Since I can't word it any better myself:

So a trainee has no obligation to look into anything? Again, I see a clear reason for an affiliate to be acutely aware, they are being paid for their expertise, but no responsibility? That's hard to swallow.

I mean, they wouldn't need a CSCS, they could just look at the faqs and stickies of the website of the organization they're joining.
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:52 PM   #94
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I think it is totally, absolutely reasonable to for a fresh-off-the-street gym-goer with little prior workout or S&C experience to expect their $200/month coaches to not know what they're talking about. I have made it my policy that before going to a mechanic I take a few automotive classes and I am currently in the process of studying for my MCATs and catching up on a few pre-req classes as I refuse to go to a doctor without my own medical degree. This is because it is my responsibility as a consumer to know all of this information before I pay someone else to give it to me. Besides, there is so much accurate information floating around in our media and general society that anybody who doesn't know about rhabdo and its risks is probably stupid.

As for revealing conditions, I am pretty sure if a client does not mention in their waiver the phrase "High-rep GHDs make me predisposed to rhabdo" as a medical condition they're legally responsible for any damage that comes to them as a result.
Oh, the drama. If you don't know enough to put oil in your car every once in a while, your mechanic bill will be pretty big...if you don't know enough to eat well and not be obese, then your physician will have a lot of work to do.

We all have responsibility.

On this thread I'm seeing lots of drama, exaggeration, fear and the notion "everything is someone else's fault"...sort of sums up North America society.
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Oh, the drama. If you don't know enough to put oil in your car every once in a while, your mechanic bill will be pretty big...if you don't know enough to eat well and not be obese, then your physician will have a lot of work to do.

We all have responsibility.

On this thread I'm seeing lots of drama, exaggeration, fear and the notion "everything is someone else's fault"...sort of sums up North America society.
If you pay a professional for their services and they instruct you to do something that harms you or puts you in the hospital guess what? It's their fault.
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If you pay a professional for their services and they instruct you to do something that harms you or puts you in the hospital guess what? It's their fault.
Sure, that makes sense, but the trainee has no responsibility for their own health and well being? There's no concept of caveat emptor?

And that trainer's responsibility is different than CFHQ's
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Oh, the drama. If you don't know enough to put oil in your car every once in a while, your mechanic bill will be pretty big...if you don't know enough to eat well and not be obese, then your physician will have a lot of work to do.

We all have responsibility.
Sure. But a trainer giving a newbie a workout with 100 GHD situps is like a car dealer encouraging you to take your new Toyota to the track. And then telling you it's your own stupid fault when you damage it, and no your warranty won't pay.

Setting oneself up as an expert and taking money for that expertise implies at the very least a responsibility to not give advice that is dangerously bad.

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Sure, that makes sense, but the trainee has no responsibility for their own health and well being? There's no concept of caveat emptor?

And that trainer's responsibility is different than CFHQ's
I don't think so. We are not talking widgets or things that should go against common sense. We are talking about a particularly prescribed way of training that requires proper form to avoid injury. Athletes put their trust in the 'educated' professionals to train them properly. Most people could apply caveat emptor to the late night TV commercial that promises you'll lose 10 lbs a day but where is the common sense to sniff out a faulty OHS or the inherent ( IMO) danger in Kipping or 100 jumping pull ups ( my very first WOD! at the box.)
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Sure. But a trainer giving a newbie a workout with 100 GHD situps is like a car dealer encouraging you to take your new Toyota to the track. And then telling you it's your own stupid fault when you damage it, and no your warranty won't pay.

Setting oneself up as an expert and taking money for that expertise implies at the very least a responsibility to not give advice that is dangerously bad.

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Yes, Katherine, a trainer shouldn't tell a newbie to do 100 ghd sit-ups.
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Your making his point...I'm not sure what your intended point was, though. The average layperson has not heard of the term "rhabdomyolysis" before CrossFit, but many people with any common sense are aware that you can suffer "muscle damage due to exercise".
No, I'm not making his point, unless his point is really "No one heard of the word "rhabdo" before CrossFit". If that is his point, I respond "So what?", because understanding muscle damage due to exercise is more important than just knowing additional vocabulary.

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