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Old 08-22-2010, 06:41 PM   #1
Kevin Shaughnessy
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Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

I`m going to start doing fran as part of my routine, except I dont know how to kip so I`m going to sub with ring rows. My question is, what is the difficulty of rows compared to kipping? If I can do 21 rows can I factually claim to be able to do 21 kips?

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Old 08-22-2010, 07:04 PM   #2
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

No. Ring rows are a substitution for folks without pull-ups.
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Old 08-22-2010, 07:15 PM   #3
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

Try subbing burpees for pullups. It will kick your ***.
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Old 08-22-2010, 08:46 PM   #4
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

Brent,

THat makes no sense. The musculature involved isn't even close to similar.
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Old 08-22-2010, 08:49 PM   #5
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

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No. Ring rows are a substitution for folks without pull-ups.
Doing them with your feet as elevated as your hands makes them a lot more difficult though, perhaps a worthy sub for pull-ups. At least something to consider doing from time to time.
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:28 PM   #6
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

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Doing them with your feet as elevated as your hands makes them a lot more difficult though, perhaps a worthy sub for pull-ups. At least something to consider doing from time to time.
That sounds pretty reasonable. Similar muscles involved, similar ROM (well, sort of). It's still nowhere near 1:1 though. I'll have to give it a try tomorrow, but I'd bet it is more like 3:1 (eg 3 ring rows = 1 pu)
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:56 PM   #7
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

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I`m going to start doing fran as part of my routine, except I dont know how to kip so I`m going to sub with ring rows.
Why not sub the kipping pullups with strict pull-ups? Yes, it takes more effort and your time won't be as good as if you did kipping pullups, but it's much better than ring rows right?
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Old 08-23-2010, 02:36 AM   #8
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

Dude.

Just learn how to kip.

There are plenty of awesome kip instruction videos floating around on sites like the CrossFit Journal and Again Faster.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:47 AM   #9
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

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Brent,

THat makes no sense. The musculature involved isn't even close to similar.
I know. Its a completely different workout. But the intensity will be similar. Its impossible to sub for pullups and still get the metabolic slam that Fran gives you, but burpees can accomplish that.

Like Julius said, just learn how to kip. If you can do strict pullups, you can kip. Its just timing. Watch some videos in the exercises and demos section on the main site.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:15 AM   #10
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Re: Ring rows as a sub for kipping PU

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Like Julius said, just learn how to kip. If you can do strict pullups, you can kip.
Not necessarily. I have to be very careful on how I descend from a pullup; if I come down too fast or just outside the right angle, I somehow tweak something and it hurts like hell (right shoulder only). I can do the motion of kipping, but it's too risky; if the tweak happens, it's basically the end of the workout. So I only do strict pullups.

Similarly, it could be that the OP has a setup like my home setup: a doorway pullup bar, suitable for strict pullups or low ring work (enough for ring rows/ring dips) but not nearly stable enough for serious kipping.

Finding a decent substitute is a reasonable quest. Kipping pullups are doubtless a great workout, but they're not universally available.
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