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Old 05-06-2010, 12:23 PM   #41
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

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One more thing that is important and shouldn't be overlooked...

How BORING would it be if the CF Games were to test single modalities...I mean Max Back Squat, rest 4 hours, then 15 minutes to establish a maximum set of unbroken chin over bar kipping pull ups...end Day 1

Day 2

Run 400m

Rest 4 hours

150 KB Swings for time

Rest 4 hours

Row 5k

Crown winner

Not only would it be boring, but you most definitely will see BIGGER better back squats at a powerlifting meet, FASTER row times at a college (maybe high school) track meet, and Better Rowing times at your local University's rowing team practice...
For me, it was the opposite. Watching the Games in Aromas, I enjoyed the sandbag sprint, deadlift, and snatch events much more than the chipper, triplet, or sledge strike/row. That's just me. I like watching the maximum expression of strength or skill of each CFer. I'm sure Mariusz Pudzianowski can toss a keg a lot further than any crossfitter, but I'd still love to see mikko go up against Khalipa in a keg toss event during the Games. I find the met cons and chippers much less interesting to watch.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:50 PM   #42
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

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Not only would it be boring, but you most definitely will see BIGGER better back squats at a powerlifting meet, FASTER row times at a college (maybe high school) track meet, and Better Rowing times at your local University's rowing team practice"

ANd the single modality events will let CFer know how that stack up.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:55 PM   #43
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

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Not only would it be boring, but you most definitely will see BIGGER better back squats at a powerlifting meet, FASTER row times at a college (maybe high school) track meet, and Better Rowing times at your local University's rowing team practice"

ANd the single modality events will let CFer know how that stack up.
A CFer doesn't stack up with a specialist.

BT

I loved all the events too,...but if every year the events were all single modality I personally would get bored...and question just how CF the CF Games really were.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:10 PM   #44
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

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One more thing that is important and shouldn't be overlooked...

How BORING would it be if the CF Games were to test single modalities...I mean Max Back Squat, rest 4 hours, then 15 minutes to establish a maximum set of unbroken chin over bar kipping pull ups...end Day 1

Day 2

Run 400m

Rest 4 hours

150 KB Swings for time

Rest 4 hours

Row 5k

Crown winner

Not only would it be boring, but you most definitely will see BIGGER better back squats at a powerlifting meet, FASTER row times at a college (maybe high school) track meet, and Better Rowing times at your local University's rowing team practice...
I dunno. You could make the same argument about the Olympic decathlon. Personally I find it exciting to watch talented athletes perform at their maximum at any activity.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:12 PM   #45
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

"A CFer doesn't stack up with a specialist"

and

"We dominate other athletes"

seem to be at odd.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:16 PM   #46
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

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"A CFer doesn't stack up with a specialist"

and

"We dominate other athletes"

seem to be at odd.
This is one of those not sometimes Jamie...

I think you have to realize that Coach G/CF is not in competition with athletes or sports...but in preparation of athletes...ie GPP development.

Dominate other athletes prepared through a different philosophy in terms of GPP...but not dominate all other athletes all the time.

And people change, you'd have to ask the man himself what he meant exactly, but that quote is what...6 or 7 years old. CF and it's competitors were in vastly different stages at that point

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Old 05-06-2010, 01:20 PM   #47
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

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I dunno. You could make the same argument about the Olympic decathlon. Personally I find it exciting to watch talented athletes perform at their maximum at any activity.
How popular really is the decathlon...just sayin'.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:26 PM   #48
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Even doing single modality events back to back, i.e. events separated by 15-30-60 minutes is still a "watering down" of performance.
Only slightly. There's a huge difference between max 400m and max deadlift with 30 seconds rest, and doing the same thing with 15 minutes rest.

You could make the argument that at a weightlifting competition that your C&J really isn't your best because it comes second, but nobody says that. They get plenty of rest time between lifts. If, on the other hand, you have to do them back to back with no rest like in a metcon, that would be different.

Also consider the fact that many athletes at the 09 Games PR'd on the deadlift even though it came after the run. I think they all had at least 10 minutes rest. What if they didn't have any rest?


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No, I'm not making any predictions on distinct movements separated from their part in the metcon, but it seems like you on the other hand are making predictions on a collection of movements based on someone's performance on each individual part, which is a fallacy.
It would be a fallacy, but I'm not saying that. I'm saying an individual test of a movement is more predictive of the physical trait required by that test. For example your max deadlift is a great predictor of posterior chain strength. How many you can do at a sub-maximal weight in ~10:00 with burpees is not a great predictor of strength.

Another example: a 10k run is a great predictor of running endurance at almost any distance. A 10k run with 25 thrusters 65# every 1k is not a great predictor of running endurance.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:39 PM   #49
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How popular really is the decathlon...just sayin'.
I understand. I guess I just don't like the tradeoff between what is exciting to watch, and what is exciting to train for.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:42 PM   #50
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Re: Single Modality Events in CF Competition

"but that quote is what...6 or 7 years old"

It was at last years Games.

And no context was given to clarify for GPP or other contigencies.
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