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Old 01-21-2012, 01:30 AM   #1
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Leading by example

So I've been looking all over my city (Perth, Australia) for an ASCA qualified coach and sadly there are none. Or maybe theres a couple but none that are good.

This was one of the ones I stumbled upon in my searches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vo63...layer_embedded (wfs)

If he teaches powercleans like this I'd hate to see how how teaches other lifts.

Anyway, for me this raises the question - should coaches / trainers be good at this stuff or only good at coaching it? Is there a difference?
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:59 AM   #2
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Re: Leading by example

He needs some proper sized bumpers first and foremost.

For me, as long as someone believes in what they're coaching and does their utmost to get the best out of their clients, life is good.

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Old 01-21-2012, 10:39 AM   #3
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Re: Leading by example

Just having an academic knowledge is not enough, the trainer should know how the movement feels. Case in point, the other day at my rec center a trainer was trying to teach a front squat, but she obviously had never done them herself. She didn't once get under the bar to demo the movement and didn't pick up any of the faults her client was making, which were grossly obvious (holding the bar in the hands out in front of her body being one of many).

Luckily I've been there for a while and the trainer has seen me squat, front squat, clean, dead lift etc., and I happened to be doing front squats as well that day, so she didn't mind at all when I offered to demo the move and go over a couple points to help her clients. This only took a couple minutes and made a big difference for the clients. The trainer was also grateful because the session ended up being more positive for her client since she just wasn't "getting it" up to that point and seemed to be a little frustrated.

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Old 01-21-2012, 04:56 PM   #4
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Re: Leading by example

I don't think you need to be *amazing* at what you are coaching/teaching, but you definitely need to be fairly proficient at it, enough that you can demo your own movements with good form.
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:25 PM   #5
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Re: Leading by example

Ideally, the trainer should personally be able to demonstrate good form. They don't need to be able to put massive amounts of weight on the bar, but should have good to excellent technique with the weight they can lift.

On the other hand, there are a number of excellent coaches out there who -- due to age, injury, or both -- can no longer do what they teach. It's also very hard to demonstrate and teach at the same time, especially with a large group. So I'm also okay with a coach who has an assistant demonstrate. Provided, of course, that the assistant's form is good.

Put another way, the coach needs to be able to offer a good model for students to emulate. The coach doesn't personally need to be that model.

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Old 01-22-2012, 03:34 PM   #6
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Re: Leading by example

Powerclean fail.
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Old 01-22-2012, 04:18 PM   #7
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On the other hand, there are a number of excellent coaches out there who -- due to age, injury, or both -- can no longer do what they teach. It's also very hard to demonstrate and teach at the same time, especially with a large group. So I'm also okay with a coach who has an assistant demonstrate. Provided, of course, that the assistant's form is good.
Fair enough, thats a good point.
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Old 01-22-2012, 11:22 PM   #8
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Re: Leading by example

As a Muay Thai coach at a local university club, I'm never comfortable demonstrating techniques until I've mastered them, or at least have come to a demonstrable standard of technique. I have a hard time getting my point across with words at times, so demonstrating is integral to my teaching style. In saying that, I'm sure there are plenty of coaches in certain fields who are more than capable of teaching without necessarily being great at something themselves. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:11 AM   #9
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As a Muay Thai coach at a local university club, I'm never comfortable demonstrating techniques until I've mastered them, or at least have come to a demonstrable standard of technique. I have a hard time getting my point across with words at times, so demonstrating is integral to my teaching style. In saying that, I'm sure there are plenty of coaches in certain fields who are more than capable of teaching without necessarily being great at something themselves. Just my 2 cents.
Consider Bill Belichick's career as a football player, or Phil Jackson's as a basketball player.

In martial arts, my experience is that the best teachers are the ones who have put the most effort into learning how to teach, not necessarily the ones who are the most skillful themselves.

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Old 01-23-2012, 12:33 AM   #10
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Re: Leading by example

there are plenty of good strength coaches in WA

http://www.strengthandconditioning.org/coaches.aspx
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