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Old 07-19-2010, 12:31 PM   #51
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Re: 2010 games scoring - impossible to catch up?

The best solution to the scoring issues is simply to allow all qualifiers to compete in every event. There were only 45 men and 45 women; with intelligent programming and good organization, each athlete could have completed each event. I think they have all earned the right to do so.
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Old 07-19-2010, 12:42 PM   #52
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The best solution to the scoring issues is simply to allow all qualifiers to compete in every event.
This. Its not about the spectators, its about the competitors.

Although I am surprised there wasn't a really heavy event and/or a really long event.

And what about swimming? I'd say not drowning is pretty functional.
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Old 07-19-2010, 01:52 PM   #53
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Re: 2010 games scoring - impossible to catch up?

Fittest man on the planet it sort of a stupid title anyway. Most well rounded fitness athlete, maybe I'd agree with.

Everybody who specializes in something is "fit" in their own right. Whether its a 300lb powerlifter who squats 1000lbs or a 120lb distance runner that runs a 13 minute 5k.

They do have combination events out there like Pump and Run 5ks (bench your bodyweight for reps, run a 5k race. Each rep you get subtracts 30 seconds from your 5k time). There are guys in there than can run under 17 minutes for a 5k and bench close to 400lbs, that would SMOKE any competitor in the CF games in a pure strength or endurance contest, but would probably get killed at Fran

The events chosen for this years games were pure crossfit events. So the winner is without a doubt the best crossfitter on the planet.
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Old 07-19-2010, 02:09 PM   #54
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Fittest man on the planet it sort of a stupid title anyway. Most well rounded fitness athlete, maybe I'd agree with.

Everybody who specializes in something is "fit" in their own right. Whether its a 300lb powerlifter who squats 1000lbs or a 120lb distance runner that runs a 13 minute 5k.
That's fitness for a particular task. Fit for powerlifting. Fit for running. Not General Fitness. CrossFit is testing the highest level of General Fitness.
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Old 07-19-2010, 02:30 PM   #55
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Effectively, the current scoring makes you hope that if you suck at an event, that it comes late, where it won't hurt you as much.
In most sports the first half is more important, not the second. You always start the game tied and therefore all points are important. By the second half you're often either winning by a lot or losing by a lot so points late in the competition often don't much matter. That's why starting pitchers in baseball make more money than bullpen pitchers. 70% of soccer teams who score first win. Football coaches don't put their second string players in during the first quarter. And so on.

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Old 07-19-2010, 02:35 PM   #56
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In most sports the first half is more important, not the second. You always start the game tied and therefore all points are important. By the second half you're often either winning by a lot or losing by a lot so points late in the competition often don't much matter. That's why starting pitchers in baseball make more money than bullpen pitchers. 70% of soccer teams who score first win. Football coaches don't put their second string players in during the first quarter. And so on.
A touchdown in the first quarter is worth the same amount as a touchdown in the fourth quarter.

You don't see a whole lot of scrubs playing in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.
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Old 07-19-2010, 02:37 PM   #57
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In most sports the first half is more important, not the second. You always start the game tied and therefore all points are important. By the second half you're often either winning by a lot or losing by a lot so points late in the competition often don't much matter. That's why starting pitchers in baseball make more money than bullpen pitchers. 70% of soccer teams who score first win. Football coaches don't put their second string players in during the first quarter. And so on.
Don't starting pitchers make more money because they pitch more innings? If for some strange reason you had a starter that never pitched more than 3 innings, I don't think he'd get paid as much as a Verlander, or Sabathia, even if the guy had a sub 1 ERA and less than a .200 BAA.
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In most sports the first half is more important, not the second. You always start the game tied and therefore all points are important. By the second half you're often either winning by a lot or losing by a lot so points late in the competition often don't much matter. That's why starting pitchers in baseball make more money than bullpen pitchers. 70% of soccer teams who score first win. Football coaches don't put their second string players in during the first quarter. And so on.
Mariano River gets paid 15 million dollars a year to pitch ONE INNING per game. Sometimes every other game. That's far more than most starting pitchers in baseball. If anything, the opposite of what you said is true in sports, they call it crunch time for a reason you know
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None of the top 5 pitcher$ in baseball are closers. Not even Mariano. Closers only play in games that are close. Home runs in the first inning are how you force your opponent's best player out of the game. They are also how you keep guys like Rivera out of the game.

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A touchdown in the first quarter is worth the same amount as a touchdown in the fourth quarter.
Touchdowns in the 4th quarter of a blowout game are meaningless points, more so if the scrubs are playing. Touchdowns in the 1st quarter are never meaningless.
Therefore touchdowns in the 1st quarter are, on average, worth more.

Basketball even has an expression for the last points in a not-close game: Garbage Time.
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Old 07-19-2010, 03:46 PM   #60
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It's worth looking at the very top performers in various specialized events and seeing where the top CFers rank relative to them to get an idea of where we are on the "spectrum."
"We do your stuff almost as well as you, you can't do our stuff at all and we do stuff neither of us do way better than you can"

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