Warrior Nation - Page 5

Neal Winkler · 01-17-2007, 03:00 PM

Peter,

I'm saying that from what I seen in the youtube videos, the techniques and training against compliant opponents look like the same old stuff that got exposed when the UFC first came out. You put a Kung-Fu or Aikido sytlist in a real fight and they come to find out that they're fancy wrist locks and "dead" sparring (as Matt Thorton would put it), are useless. When someone is actually resisting you it's a different ballgame.

I don't want to generalize, as you might say that Jeet Kune Do is a Kung Fu style or something, but the whole point of Jeet Kune Do was to eliminate those STUPID kung-fu techneques that didn't actually work, and keep only those things that did. The bujinkan videos looked like that is exactly what is was, the same old antiquated stuff thats already been exposed time and time again.

Perhaps theres a technique here and there in the "ancient" systems that is effective, but as a whole those types of systems are not very good.

Peter Queen · 01-18-2007, 08:41 AM

“You put a Kung-Fu or Aikido sytlist in a real fight and they come to find out that they're fancy wrist locks and "dead" sparring (as Matt Thorton would put it), are useless. When someone is actually resisting you it's a different ballgame.”

OK, perhaps I am missing something, but you are making it seem that the UFC matches are not real competitions. In that, I mean it seems that when a person is put into a submissive hold, they do it freely and willingly, if I am to understand you correctly. As opposed to an actual assailant who is really trying to keep from being held. If I am misinterpreting your analysis please let me know.

As far as your point about JKD, I’ll agree. I’ll even say that JKD paved the way for other directly applicable modern art forms such as Krav Maga for example. I wouldn’t necessarily call certain MA techniques useless though. They are still to be appreciated all the same, if for nothing else, for the beauty of motion.
Just my HO and 2c.

Yael Grauer · 01-18-2007, 12:59 PM

Jen Case

Peter Queen · 01-18-2007, 01:59 PM

Awwwww! OK, I see what you did. You provided me with the name of Erin's opponent. Thanks Yael.

Here's her profile:
http://www.heavyweightgladiators.com/profilecase.html
(Family/work safe)

Yael Grauer · 01-18-2007, 06:36 PM

No problem.

Here's the Sherdog profile:

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...ighterID=11612

work/family safe if you're allowed to look at MMA fights at work/home!

Peter Queen · 01-25-2007, 04:58 PM

Don't forget Warrior Nation will be on tonight on the Versus channel from 10 to 11pm (Central time). Check your local listings for time.
The Oklahoma Destroyers vs. Dallas Dragons. It will also re-air this Saturday from 3 to 4pm. Again check your local listings.

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01-17-2007, 03:00 PM	#41
Neal Winkler Member Profile: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Shiloh Il Posts: 613	Peter, I'm saying that from what I seen in the youtube videos, the techniques and training against compliant opponents look like the same old stuff that got exposed when the UFC first came out. You put a Kung-Fu or Aikido sytlist in a real fight and they come to find out that they're fancy wrist locks and "dead" sparring (as Matt Thorton would put it), are useless. When someone is actually resisting you it's a different ballgame. I don't want to generalize, as you might say that Jeet Kune Do is a Kung Fu style or something, but the whole point of Jeet Kune Do was to eliminate those STUPID kung-fu techneques that didn't actually work, and keep only those things that did. The bujinkan videos looked like that is exactly what is was, the same old antiquated stuff thats already been exposed time and time again. Perhaps theres a technique here and there in the "ancient" systems that is effective, but as a whole those types of systems are not very good.

01-18-2007, 08:41 AM	#42
Peter Queen Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dousman WI Posts: 1,567	“You put a Kung-Fu or Aikido sytlist in a real fight and they come to find out that they're fancy wrist locks and "dead" sparring (as Matt Thorton would put it), are useless. When someone is actually resisting you it's a different ballgame.” OK, perhaps I am missing something, but you are making it seem that the UFC matches are not real competitions. In that, I mean it seems that when a person is put into a submissive hold, they do it freely and willingly, if I am to understand you correctly. As opposed to an actual assailant who is really trying to keep from being held. If I am misinterpreting your analysis please let me know. As far as your point about JKD, I’ll agree. I’ll even say that JKD paved the way for other directly applicable modern art forms such as Krav Maga for example. I wouldn’t necessarily call certain MA techniques useless though. They are still to be appreciated all the same, if for nothing else, for the beauty of motion. Just my HO and 2c.

01-18-2007, 12:59 PM	#43
Yael Grauer Member Profile: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 871	Jen Case

01-18-2007, 01:59 PM	#44
Peter Queen Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dousman WI Posts: 1,567	Awwwww! OK, I see what you did. You provided me with the name of Erin's opponent. Thanks Yael. Here's her profile: http://www.heavyweightgladiators.com/profilecase.html (Family/work safe)

01-18-2007, 06:36 PM	#45
Yael Grauer Member Profile: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 871	No problem. Here's the Sherdog profile: http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...ighterID=11612 work/family safe if you're allowed to look at MMA fights at work/home!

01-25-2007, 04:58 PM	#46
Peter Queen Member Profile: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dousman WI Posts: 1,567	Don't forget Warrior Nation will be on tonight on the Versus channel from 10 to 11pm (Central time). Check your local listings for time. The Oklahoma Destroyers vs. Dallas Dragons. It will also re-air this Saturday from 3 to 4pm. Again check your local listings.