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Old 10-07-2014, 08:00 AM   #371
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

I'm telling ya, Nike is missing out. This is a HUGE chance for them. If they front the cash, and run the thing better than Tony did, this could be their entry, and win of the functional fitness market.

Got to take Tony out of the pic in some way, he obviously ran this into the ground once already. Need to get it into the X-Games in some way also.
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Old 10-08-2014, 12:24 AM   #372
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

^^ Viable considering they just opened their first "Functional Fitness" gym the other day.

Nike's stock seems to be worth a lot more than Adidas' at the moment and they seem to be worth a bit more besides pulling in more money per year net.

They could easily buy Tony out or give him a figurehead position with a lot of stock.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:25 AM   #373
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I think it would be good if Nike sponsors the Grid League if it ensures its viabillity.

However, I think fans will lose out if it becomes a situation where athletes have to choose between CrossFit Games & Reebok or Grid League & Nike. Athletes should be able to choose which competitions to go to and which shoes to wear.
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Old 10-08-2014, 12:43 PM   #374
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I think it would be good if Nike sponsors the Grid League if it ensures its viabillity.

However, I think fans will lose out if it becomes a situation where athletes have to choose between CrossFit Games & Reebok or Grid League & Nike. Athletes should be able to choose which competitions to go to and which shoes to wear.
Agree. Too bad some folks were coxed out of the Grid League. Also there are some other things working against GL that were coxing some out of it also from the contracts themselves.
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Old 10-08-2014, 01:32 PM   #375
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Wow. 38 pages of posts. I am not going to read them all to catch up on this thread. I just want to say that I've watched this stuff and it's pretty cool. I hope that the NPGL and CF are able to co-exist with no ill will between them.

It has been very exciting to see this concept of developing all-around athletes take off on a large scale. While I have my criticisms of the "sport of fitness" and I think the best tests for these athletes would look more like the Olympic Games (or like the OPTathlon), it's awesome to see all these Olympic-Lifting-Sprinter-Gymnasts competing as individuals and teams at the CF Games and local competitions--and now Grid.

Looking at the past 10 years, I think all the growth, the money, and the attention have made CF more corporate and defensive, less of the open-source, tight-knit community that it was in the early days. A lot of people have left over squabbles with Coach Glassman, or to distance themselves from the "dangerous exercise" reputation. Sometimes it seems like CF HQ is unwilling to listen to outside voices or take criticisms into consideration.

I just hope that CrossFit will come to recognize all this athletic development as progress that grew out of their own work. To quote an old CF Journal article:

"open source has come to denote a collaborative style of project work, wherein ad hoc groups of motivated individuals—often connected only by the Internet— come together around a shared development objective that advances a particular technical frontier for the common good."
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In those terms, both CrossFit and the NPGL are good for our shared development objective (functional fitness) and for the common good.
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Old 10-08-2014, 03:21 PM   #376
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<snip> I hope that the NPGL and CF are able to co-exist with no ill will between them.
Doubtful, because I'm sure they see each other as competitors for a limited pool of sponsorships, athletes, and spectator eyeballs. Trying to coexist peacefully with business competitors is a good way to have them eat your lunch.
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Old 10-09-2014, 10:42 AM   #377
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Doubtful, because I'm sure they see each other as competitors for a limited pool of sponsorships, athletes, and spectator eyeballs. Trying to coexist peacefully with business competitors is a good way to have them eat your lunch.
If that's what the functional fitness scene has come to now, I think it's a real bummer. But I'm afraid you're right.
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Old 10-09-2014, 04:34 PM   #378
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

I'm not sure what you mean by "this is what the scene has come to" because there's nothing to stop people from pursuing functional fitness on their own, or hosting small local competitions, or coaching others.

But when there's money to be made in the fitness industry, any company that wants to be a player in that industry would be smart to treat their competitors as competitors and attempt to gain more influence than them. If increasing market share and profitability aren't their goals, then they shouldn't even enter the space.
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Old 10-10-2014, 11:14 AM   #379
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I'm not sure what you mean by "this is what the scene has come to"
What I mean is that it used to be less commercial and more about a revolution in the concept of fitness. We used to have a lot of people working cooperatively with less focus on profit and more focus on ideas.

If it's just about maximizing returns, then the big chain gyms with aerobics classes and thousands of never-show-up members are great at that.

If it's about improving movement quality to improve quality of life, then we have something people can be more passionate about--that's why people do CrossFit, coach others, and open affiliates.

Now all the grass-roots work that happened a decade ago has created a larger market for high-intensity functional training. Guys who used to collaborate fervently to get these ideas out there are now stabbing each other in the back for a pay day. That's sad to me.
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Old 10-10-2014, 11:26 AM   #380
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Again, none of the business stuff has any impact on the "grassroots work" that you're talking about. If you want to be a functional fitness purist, you can coach people in your garage all day long and there's nothing that Nike, Reebok, NPGL, or CFHQ can do to get in your way.

If anything, the business competition has helped people who want to do stuff on a small scale--for evidence on that, ask some of the OGs how hard it was to find bumper plates or lifting shoes 10+ years ago. It's absurdly easy and cheap to outfit a garage gym with quality equipment these days, and there are dozens of people providing quality programming and instructional videos online for free--many of whom have gotten their audiences and exposure as a result of CF growing as a business.

The people that are "stabbing each other in the back for a pay day" are providing products and/or services that people are willing to pay money for. There's nothing wrong with responding to the market's demands and seeking to gain a bigger share of that market at the expense of your business competitors.
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