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Old 09-03-2014, 09:02 AM   #331
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

Damn, races started to become good and then its EOL :/
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Old 09-03-2014, 11:17 AM   #332
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

Yes too big too fast.. all of us cf addicts were saying. I would have loved to have this be a big hit and still think that it would. Huge venues, little crowds, athletes from different coasts and countries, changing names.. This would have been better as a grass roots thing. Sadly will be hard to get it going again because of the 1st failure. Too bad I was looking forward to the next combines for drafted old dudes.. was injured and not so confident last one. Gotta say that it was a serious sales pitch to get it going. Wish everyone luck and hope they can recover. Most rich people its only money... they might have needed the write off.. but to the others who it was their life.. sorry for that.
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Old 09-03-2014, 04:04 PM   #333
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yep. if i was a backer i would have pulled out as well. seeing all these empty venues did not inspire much confidence.
Bad planning.

Start small, sell all your tickets, prove there's sufficient demand, then grow into bigger venues. The Games didn't move to the Home Depot Center until it was no longer feasible to host things at the Ranch, and new CF gyms are smart enough to run out of a garage or a tiny industrial space until they're bursting at the seams with paying customers.
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Old 09-03-2014, 06:45 PM   #334
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

I wouldn't make the final judgment that it's dead yet. If they can get other financial backers to make up the loss, they'll get the NPGL going again. You can bet there are people working this as hard as they possibly can to make it a viable league. Tony Budding and other execs now have a lot more footage to show what the league is actually doing - more to sell than a concept like they did a few months ago.
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Old 09-03-2014, 06:47 PM   #335
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They actually just posted that they have a few things lined up and that matches will resume in 2 weeks. Hopefully this was a wakeup call to make smarter business decision especially in regards to venues.
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:39 AM   #336
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Bad planning.

Start small, sell all your tickets, prove there's sufficient demand, then grow into bigger venues. The Games didn't move to the Home Depot Center until it was no longer feasible to host things at the Ranch, and new CF gyms are smart enough to run out of a garage or a tiny industrial space until they're bursting at the seams with paying customers.
This was my take as well, they took on too much too soon. They say they plan on being back up and running in the a week or two though so we'll see what happens.

At least the competitors have contracts so hopefully their pay is protected in some way should things go south.
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Old 09-04-2014, 05:49 AM   #337
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Timing was not really that bad, IMO. It was almost directly when the Games ended, so potential new fans had something to be happy about, so that was nicely planned.

But I think its the whole format that is a bit off. Its not really related to crossift, as with crossfit the main thing fans love is the generalism of an athlete, while with GRID specialist can shine. I love crossfit because I see people who can run fast long and also move a lot of weight. I dont like athletes that are good only in some fields of "fitness" even thou they can deadlift a 1000 pounds but unable to walk around the block (wendler's own words).

Despite that I kinda enjoyed last two races, maybe its the adrenaline that kicked in or the whole atmosphere, but it was fun to watch and for the first time I thought "this might take off".
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Old 09-04-2014, 08:36 AM   #338
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Here is what I see. Crossfit the sport and Grid League (can I say that ?) are similar but much different. You will end up with some folks who can do both but some people will just shine at Grid and never ever make the Games. You end up with some folks who are really strong and powerful and can do stuff really well in Grid and does not make them outstanding for Crossfit. The best example you will see is Danny Nichols, guys is an absolute beast but he weighs 235-240 (that is his normal weight) guy usually crushes a couple of events at Regionals but won't make the Games because he is too skewed. Grid is a showcase for a guy like that. I mean really, watch him TnG snatches and do deficit HSPUs it was ridiculous. All that said he is still fit enough to blow smaller guys out of the water in the Open year after year.

To me the biggest difference is the speed. Grid is fast Crossfit is much slower. I agree with some of the earlier comments that maybe they should have a couple one-on-one races to showcase people.

Be interested to see what shakes out of this. Crossfit grew the Games a little too fast as well. The first year at the HD Center in 2010 was way more empty than these matches. It wasn't until about last year that they had a lot of spectators and even then it isn't something that the general public knows much about.
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Old 09-04-2014, 09:18 AM   #339
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

I agree with everyone else that out the gate they were way overoptimistic. Booking the NY Rhinos at the mecca that is Madison Square Garden in the heart of NYC? They had to know they were gonna lose a lot of money on that proposition
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Old 09-04-2014, 01:13 PM   #340
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Re: Have we all seen this yet?

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I wouldn't make the final judgment that it's dead yet. If they can get other financial backers to make up the loss, they'll get the NPGL going again. You can bet there are people working this as hard as they possibly can to make it a viable league. Tony Budding and other execs now have a lot more footage to show what the league is actually doing - more to sell than a concept like they did a few months ago.
Despite how hard people may be working to get it going again, let's look at the reality of the situation. Picture this scenario: You're an exec at a mid size company and you get a call from a guy on the Grid sales team.

His pitch is, "we have this really exciting new professional sports league and we're looking at getting financial backing at the ground level, are you interested?"
You: Tell me more about it. What type of sport is it?
Grid guy: Human performance racing.
You: You mean like a marathon, or triathlon?
Grid guy: No it is way different than that. We've got men and women on teams, and each team has to have at least one man and woman who are over 40 years old. They do everything from snatching barbells, to muscle ups, and handstands pushups and all kinds of exciting stuff!
You: What is a snatch? What is a muscle up?
Grid guy: Well, the snatch is one of two different barbell movements that are tested in the Olympics. The muscle up is a foundational gymnastics movement - actually you see men at the Olympics starting their routines doing muscle ups too.
You: So, this is like the Olympics?
Grid guy: No, not really. The athletes on these teams aren't really good enough to be on the level of Olympians at each of the individual exercises, but they can perform pretty well - better than the average guy - at a lot of different things.
You: Okay, I don't really see the appeal here but let's move on. You said I'm getting in on the ground level. When does the league begin?
Grid guy: Well, technically it started already, but ran into financial troubles, so we had to shut it down after a couple of matches. So, we need more cash to continue the first season.
You: Yikes! You guys had committed financial backers who have already cut ties and you have only gone through a few matches?

See where this is going?

Now - I may be way off base, but I don't think this is going to go well.
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