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Old 05-31-2012, 08:25 AM   #1
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PWO meal and dark chocolate

Two separate questions.

I consume a banana and PWO shake about 10 minutea after my work out. How long should I wait before eating dinner? An older trainer suggested at least an hour.

Also, I buy TJ's 85% dark chocolate and noticed that it has 10g of saturated fat per serving. Granted I consume about 1/3 or a serving at a time so I am not concerned about it, just looking for some input.
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Old 05-31-2012, 10:00 AM   #2
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Two separate questions.

I consume a banana and PWO shake about 10 minutea after my work out. How long should I wait before eating dinner? An older trainer suggested at least an hour.

Also, I buy TJ's 85% dark chocolate and noticed that it has 10g of saturated fat per serving. Granted I consume about 1/3 or a serving at a time so I am not concerned about it, just looking for some input.
I am in the same boat as you, PWO shake ~10mins after and dinner or huge PWO meal about an hour after. A good time frame is 1-2 hours. If you can stomach the food right after, skip the PWO shake and just eat real food. Most people do PWO shake because they can't stomach chicken and sweet pot. right after an intense WOD.

That chocolate is one of my favorites. I am under the impression that saturated fats are not the 'bad' ones. Trans fats are bad...mmmk. apparently they may increase LDL cholesterol (bad kind). you can read up on fats here (WFS).
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:25 AM   #3
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That chocolate is one of my favorites. I am under the impression that saturated fats are not the 'bad' ones.
Excessive saturated fat intake causes a variety of problems, as does a low intake. Hence, and as always, moderation. It's a bit complicated by the fact that saturated fats include a whole bunch of fats and some of them are bad, while others are not.

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http://www.ajcn.org/content/80/3/550...urnalcode=ajcn (WFS)
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Re: PWO meal and dark chocolate

Thanks for the information guys!

I'll take a gander at that article when I'm done with my workout today.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:43 PM   #5
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Re: PWO meal and dark chocolate

Agreed with the above, but I'll something to the convo.

The point of the PWO shake is to spike insulin and flood the body w/ the BCAA's and protein needed for muscle repair. Normally, we love fat, but if you're going for that insulin spike, steer clear fat (such as dark chocolate) which will slow the insulin response. At least, that's the theory.
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:00 AM   #6
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Re: PWO meal and dark chocolate

i swear on one of these other threads, oh yes, luke seubert had an article saying fats and protein pwo increases hgh? and pro/carb just restores glycogen, man this stuff is just so far looked in to, it drives some people including myself crazy not knowing if what your doing is right or if it will affect your fat/blood//muscle/cortisol/sleep and alll the bs out there! its crazy! well thats my 2 cents anyway!
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i swear on one of these other threads, oh yes, luke seubert had an article saying fats and protein pwo increases hgh? and pro/carb just restores glycogen, man this stuff is just so far looked in to, it drives some people including myself crazy not knowing if what your doing is right or if it will affect your fat/blood//muscle/cortisol/sleep and alll the bs out there! its crazy! well thats my 2 cents anyway!
Welcome, Cain, to the whacky world of human nutrition.

Yeah, it can get quite confusing. I am still sorting through a lot of material. From what I have gathered so far, different PWO meals protocols are suitable to different goals. But to make it even more confusing, different people have different genes leading to different metabolisms and biochemistries. So some people respond differently than others.

And to top it all off, human nutrition is still an immature science. It is still in the information gathering stage and lacks on overarching theoretical paradigm to unify its disparate knowledge domains. Geology has plate tectonics. Biology has evolution. Physics has, well OK, two theories - relativity and quantum mechanics - but they are working on it. Human nutrition does not yet have its paradigm. Some day though. Until then, expect lots of confusing and contradictory material. Doing quality research in the field of human nutrition is especially expensive and time consuming. It will be a slow process.

Here is a bit of a tip. For those looking for a PWO insulin spike to get that anabolic absorption of amino acids, bear in mind that, yes, carbs provide an insulin spike. But so too does protein. A big blast of protein spikes insulin almost as much as a big blast of carbs, providing the desired anabolic effect. So my advice in another thread that consuming protein with a little fat as a PWO meal holds true. It will sustain the PWO HGH surge, and also provide a surge of insulin. Add together HGH and insulin, and you have a very nice anabolic one-two punch.
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