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Old 11-10-2010, 07:42 AM   #11
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

Adam:

I have never seen the CFF sled in person.

Here are some specs on ours and you can compare based on information they provide:

1) 2X3 11 Gauge Steel Construction

2) 10.5" X 6" X .25' Skids

3) 7 Gauge Horns(Uprights) with Drawn over Mandrel sockets - Means they are a really nice fit

4) 5/8" Grade 5 Bolts

5) Can use our sled strap for pulling

6) Weight - 75LBS - There is some steel there!

7) Made in the USA by a guy named Chris - He is an MMA fighter as well

In short we use very heavy duty construction on everything we make and we use heavy duty people to make them.

Louie Simmons named this sled and we take the construction of it very seriously!

Let me know if you have any other questions

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Old 11-10-2010, 10:21 AM   #12
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

I haven't been able to use either the Butcher or the CFF sled but I do have plenty of experience with both the prowler and econo prowler. the original prowler (or prowler 2 as it's now called) is the best sled I've ever used. It's built like a tank, well balanced no matter how you push or pull and is versatile (lots of different ways to push, pull, etc. as well as some modular attachments). That being said, it's strength is also a drawback. Something built like a tank tends to be rather tank like. It is big and awkward. Not super portable. If you have a pickup truck it's not too bad but just storing the things takes up a bit of floor space. The econo-prowler is nice because it breaks down easily. It is solid but the balance is a bit weird at some pushing angles and it doesn't have as many push angles.

Like I said, I've never used the Butcher but it seems to possess the best of both worlds. It's almost as heavy as the prowler 2 but it breaks down. I do wish it had high and low horns on the low handle, variable low body positions are great for rugby/football training but that's not a huge deal. Also, just knowing how rogue does things you can bet it's really well made and judging by all the holes on it, they'll make some cool modular attachments for it.

As for the CFF sled, Casey said it was solid so I'll take his word for it but I am a bit concerned that it only weighs 33 lbs yet is almost the same size as the elite and rogue sleds. That tells me they probably didn't use a very heavy gauge steel. I can't say if that will make it unreliable, being over built doesn't necessarily make something better although with a sled, weight is typically a good thing. Other observations are that the weight is distributed differently, that can change the feel a bit. My only other concern is the size of the skids which look to be significantly narrower. I would assume this means it will sink a bit more on softer surfaces and potentially wear faster.
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Old 11-11-2010, 04:56 PM   #13
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

Bill,

Thanks for the detailed info. I'll contact CFF and see what their sled is make of. Your candid & prompt response is another reason I love Rogue and trust me, I'm looking for an excuse to buy from you guys if I can afford it!
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:52 AM   #14
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

For a comparrison here are the specs for the CFF Sled:

2x2 11 gauge steel
Dual Plate Horns at 10" High for multiple loading points
Hi/Lo push pull handles with strap hook
Sled Feet measure 7.5" x 3 1/4" x 3/16
29 lbs
43L x 28.5W x 36H
White frame
Breaks down easily for Quick transport or storage
Posts are 26" from center to center (660.4 mm)
Sled is 44" Long (1117.6 mm)

No our sled was not named by Louie, but we still take great pride in our equipment. Our goal with this sled was to make something that was quality and affordable to everyone. Something that you could throw in the back of the car when you go to the park with the kids and use, and that they can use too. Will it work in a gym? You bet! We are constantly improving the equipment just like Bill does. The Butcher is a fine piece of equipment. Some people need a sled that weighs 75 lbs. Some people need a Ford F-350 Super Duty Diesel too. Most people however need something that will function and last. We are trying to provide equipment that will function and last.

BTW here is a video of our sled getting used in some rather adverse loose gravel. Loaded with somewhere around 300 lbs for the guys (2 50 kilo plates and 2 45's) for the guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO2QImPa9GQ (wfs)

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Old 11-16-2010, 08:01 AM   #15
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

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7) Made in the USA by a guy named Chris - He is an MMA fighter as well

I LOVE the use of this as a product spec. "By a guy named Chris."


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Old 11-16-2010, 08:11 AM   #16
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

Noah:

We don't consider the Butcher to be a Super Duty Diesel, we consider it the F-150 Standard. I am a Chevy guy anyway but I like what Ford is doing so I will buy in on the analogy.

This is the baseline of how we make equipment. If we made a Super Duty Diesel it would weight 150LBS.

Our welding & fabrication team in Columbus Ohio does not want to see anything come back to them on warranty. They build things like old Cadillacs.

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Old 11-16-2010, 04:46 PM   #17
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

So who makes the Toyota Corolla?

The one that the parents hand down,
the bare bones nothing fancy rig that keeps going and going
the ones maybe you're embarassed to have your friends see you in but the one they'll eventually be riding in cause they're cars in the shop
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:30 PM   #18
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

Kevin

I think you do, take a pic to your local fabricator and have him weld something up for you. There are a ton of welders that will take this as side work.

No paint, just the bare steel version of the Toyota! It will probably still weigh 50+ LBS

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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

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I LOVE the use of this as a product spec. "By a guy named Chris."


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Old 11-19-2010, 02:09 PM   #20
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Re: Prowler or Butcher?

Here is a pic of Chris welding the new dip attachment for our rigs today.

He is 5 minutes away from our warehouse vs 20 hours by plane was the point.

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