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Old 03-05-2010, 05:28 PM   #1
Pat McGrath
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Coaching

Hi all,
First time posting, so bare with me....
Do you think it's possible to coach effectively if you cannot physically do the movement yourself?
If you know the cues is that enough to get your point across?
After some thouights please.

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Old 03-05-2010, 06:13 PM   #2
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Re: Coaching

You can't do it at all? I'd say it's possible but if you've never actually done it yourself it'll be hard... if you can't do it perfectly just make sure when you demo that you address your own faults and what you are doing to work on them.
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Old 03-06-2010, 06:52 AM   #3
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Re: Coaching

If you can't I'd recommend hiring someone that can. Sure it can be taught, but visually seeing someone doing the required skill would help alot. If you can't do them, nor hire someone that can. I would suggest a library of videos from HQ showing proper technique, and common faults to show students.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:23 AM   #4
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Re: Coaching

I don't really think it's 100% necessary to be able to demonstrate.

Think in terms of Bela Karolyi(WFS) - doubt he can do many gymnastics moves by now but that doesn't stop him.

Although it is indeed helpful to be able to perform the move.
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Old 03-06-2010, 04:15 PM   #5
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Re: Coaching

99th POST!!!

If you can't do the exercise finding someone who can could make for a helpful demo so people can visually see whatt you're explaining to them, but just the explanation can work, it's just harder. Trust me on this one I coach some of my friends who are fitter than me but i know the knowledge.
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:18 PM   #6
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Re: Coaching

Being able to do the movement is by no means necessary. What matters is your knowledge of the movements and your ability to communicate effective instruction/cues to you athlete. Bela Karolyi was a good example, my first O-lifting coach had a replaced hip and couldn't bend over but he knew exactly what to tell me. I look within Crossfit itself for a truly great example; I don't think Coach Glassman can do many of the movements these days but do you think he might be a pretty good coach anyways? Yeah, I think so!
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:24 PM   #7
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Re: Coaching

Thanks for the info guys,
It's mainly just the OHS I'm struggling with - don't seem to have the flexibilty at this stage, although I'm working on it & reading posts from other people having the same problem.
Hope to have it sussed soon!
In the interim will use the advice given here.
Thanks again
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Old 03-06-2010, 05:49 PM   #8
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Re: Coaching

Of course. That's what coaching is. Even if someone observes another performing a movement, they may not have the ability nor spacial awareness to perform the movement. You have to describe, use cues, and your hands to help them perform the movement.

One of the first lessons we teach new trainer's is to coach a member through the CF warm-up without demonstrating the exercises.
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Old 03-09-2010, 12:55 PM   #9
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Re: Coaching

Pat,

I have a very dear friend who is one of the best instructors of anything that I have ever come across. He loathes demonstrating because it puts you out there to be critiqued by your student. I only partially agree with that, but he says that there is another reason too; he expects his instructors to be able to explain what they want the student to do in such a manner as that a blind person would be able to accomplish what was asked of them. I think that that is a great way to think about it.

I would caveat that some people are very heavily biased towards visual learning though, so have a fall back plan as well.
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Old 03-09-2010, 01:25 PM   #10
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Re: Coaching

I've had some very good coaches who could no longer actually do what they were asking me to do. They remembered the many years they had done it, so they could tell me what it should feel like when I did it correctly. They could also tell things like toe-curl from the shape of a participant's back, minor cues that someone without the first-hand experience would have a difficult time spotting. While these things can only really be learned by doing it, you don't necessarily have to STILL be able to do it. Just remember back when you were able to do the movement.
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